NinjaKido said:
BengaBenga said:
NinjaKido said:
@Soriku I think you'll find the HD consoles still beat the in terms of quantity at least if you take away FPS's but that's irrelevant . I won't dispute the fact that people may use the Wii purely for the core experience , i'm not trying to call anyone who does a casual gamer or a fanboy .
But when you look at what the HD consoles offer to the core gamer , it seems hard to justify using the Wii as your only core console. This gen Sony and MS and seem to have a greater respect for the core gamer than Nintendo do, probably due to the fact that their success relies more heavily on the core gamer, traditional developers seem to have more respect and confidence in the HD consoles which translates to more 3rd party support .
I read Nitnendo was considering not releasing a core game released in Japan in the US , this may even shed light on Nintendo's stance with the core gamer.
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I think you're way too narrowminded to determine what core games actually are. I see this behaviour so often and it's really dumb. I use my Wii as a core console, just as I use my 360 and DS as core consoles. They serve different needs, but one need is not less or more important than the other. If you like what Wii offers it's more than sufficient to serve as your only console. It's the narrowminded elitist that somehow don't want to see that.
Could I have played Fire Emblem on 360? No. Could I have played Mass Effect on Wii? No. Just two of my favorite games this gen. Both are definitely core games.
Above I posted a list of games Nintendo has released in just two years. If you see that as "no respect for the core gamer" you're dilusional, really.
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That is by far the most annoying thing about arguing with Wii supporter , your not any better than me because you support the Wii, because I own and support a console that's in 3rd place , stop trying to claim high ground , if you want to counter argue just use logic , i'm not an idiot I'll conceede if I feel i've been beat.
Excuse me? Where did I mention the PS3. Nowhere.
I also don't claim I'm better, I just claim you have a narrowminded view on what core actually is.
It's prety clear that i'm a ps3 owner/supporter and your statement IMO was an atempt to downplay my ability to anylise the Wii's relation to core gaming , it's a tool typicaly used by Wii supporters when they are unable to make their argument convincing enough on their own. You first called me "narrow minded" ,then called my point of view "dumb" before saying anything about the topic matter , it wasn't even a conclusion(these are quotes not intepritations) if you saying your equal to me then surely you should treat me with a level of respect , as I do you.
I think one of the problems arise with our definitions of core titles , maybe yours differs from mine , i'm not going to call you "narrow minded" or your point of view "dumb" for that reason.
The difference between me and you is that I don't exclude any games and/or consoles from being "core". I most certainly have a different taste than most gamers, but I won't claim that other tastes are not core games.
I never excluded any games from the "core" lable , it seems we'ere on the same boat here , stop making false distinctions.
Like I said before I won't dispute the notion of the Wii being used exclusivley as core console , but like you said you use the Wii alongside other consoles 360, DS etc which all fulfil different needs,this somewhat supports the idea that the Wii is inadequet as a standalone core experience . your speaking anedotaly which pretty much means nothing , in order to proove a point we have to use to most objective information availible to us( it may not be totaly objective but it's better than anecdotes.
Time for a quote: ""it seems hard to justify using the Wii as your only core console"
Sounds pretty dismissive to me.
And yes, for ME the Wii alone would not be enough. But nor would the 360 alone.
I originaly wasn't going to elaborate on my point but then I realised I was talking about the Wii so had to , yes I agree I was very dismissive but only because I didn't originaly intend to elabourate on the point I was making.
And please quote me properly , I never at any point said "no respect for the core gamer" , debate fairly please .
Yes Nintendo has released a fair number of core titles but that's irrelevant , the core consumer doesn't care about how many core titles Nintendo released , they care about a libary of core titles availbile to them , what they can buy . If you compare the number of core titles availble on the Wii in that period to what was availible on either the PS3/360 then I think you'll find that the Wii get's blown out of the water.
Again, you assume a certain type of gamer to be THE core gamer and a certain type of games to be THE core games. This is what's wrong with your argument and what I'm trying to tell you.
Well it's certain a core gamer exist and it's certain that core games exist , if your going to argue that my opinion of what they are is wrong then we're going to have a problem discussing.
What is also important is that there is a steady and constant flow of core titles availble to the consumer , it's not just about the total number of titles availble . This spring has seen no major 1st party offerings a fairly insignificant 3rd party offering Madworld ( which may go on to sell a million but that's irrelevant ) , when I speak of respect i'm not talking about respect in the mind but respect through action , Nintendo might very well love and adore the core gamer but their actions make them apear very neglectful.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo has released as much or more games than Microsoft and Sony, so I don't see how they should do more. That third party developers don't deliver is definitely true, but not Nintendo's fault. Besides we come back to the whole taste debate again. Q1 I bought 3 Wii games and just 1 360 game, so for ME Wii had the best Q1 lineup.
Your not getting my point , what you bought for your console is irrelevant again stop reffering to anecdotes. What Nintendo released is also irrelevant , the consumer doesn't care about how many core titles Nintendo release THEY DON'T IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING !!. What matters to any consumer (we're talking about the core gamer) is the libary availible to them in total , the Wii lacks in this department. The average customer doesn't walk into a shop and say " yes I know there are a toal of XXX Wii games but how many of them were made by Nintnendo ?"
It's also important that there is a steady and constant flow of good core titles availble to the consumer, Nintendo release alot of their big guns last year so it's hard to forsee how they are going to reproduce that consistency for this year and years to come.
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