Rise of atheism: 100,000 Brits seek 'de-baptism'

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appolose said:

Final-Fan said:

vlad321 said:

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

appolose said:

highwaystar101 said:
OK, for all you believers in god who are intent on asking atheists to back up why they don't believe in god let me ask you a question...

Prove to me, using sound evidence, that your god exists and is the correct one to follow!!!

While I could try to give an argument based on physics (notwithstanding, the objections of sqrl), I would like to ask you to prove to me your senses work.  If you can't, you're effectively the same as the evidence-lacking religious person.

It's been prooven many times how our sense work actually.

How so?  Did we observe how they worked?  Because that would involve us using our senses, the things we're trying to prove

No, actually we didn't. We used our senses to observe the results, but we didn't get the results using our senses. Your argument holds absolutely no water.

You just said we used our senses to observe the results, which is the only way the results would be able to tell us anything.

Right, so we didn't use the senses to get the results, thus the results are correct. How we observe said results really doesn't matter. That's why your argument holds no water.

Hold on, hold on.  appolose, I believe the challenge was proving HOW they work, not THAT they work.  So objecting to the fallibility of our senses being used to observe the results makes no sense.

The challenge (the one I proposed initially) was to prove that our senses work, not how they worked (if that's what vlad's implying).  And that  (the former) cannot be done, because that would involve us using our senses to make observations about our senses, which we couldn't do yet because we haven't proven that they work.

Whoops!  I stand corrected.  But it's pretty self-evident that they do work.  We are communicating; I sense your input and you sense mine (unless you're a figment of my imagination, and even if you are I still sense you).  So obviously I have senses that work.  I see your post.