By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
twesterm on 20 March 2009
Edit Thread
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
twesterm said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
twesterm said:
Megadude said:
Upscaled DVD looks grainey on my LCD. Some people say they can't tell the difference. Some people cant tell the difference between a bird and a dildo. They are blind.

@ Twesterm: What's with the agenda? Banning people for talking about RROD, calling people fanboys because they enjoy bluray? kk

 

Agenda?  If you want to talk about your ban, PM me or naz, no need to bring it up here. 

And why would I call people fanboys for liking BluRay?  I myself like BluRay and even said so above if you had bothered reading the posts (it even says it in the first sentence of my first post).  The people that I did say have fanboy blinders are the ones that refuse to acknowledge that BluRay does have its fair share of flaws.

  • Price.  It's more expensive and only marginally better in many peoples eyes
  • It's not as portable.  While you might have one BluRay player you probably have many things that play DVD'a
  • Up-conversion.  To people that aren't trained to see the high amount of detail they don't see or care about the difference between an upscaped DVD and a BluRay 1080p movie.
  • Not all movies are available.  If someone is going to buy a BluRay player they probably want to watch the movies they want.  If the movies they want aren't coming out for it or the older movies they might want aren't released on BluRay, what is their incentive to spend the money?

 

Most of those were arguments for VHS over DVD (see links in my post above).  What happened in time, though?

BTW, what do you mean "trained to see the high amounts of detail"?  That's ridiculous!  The AVERAGE human eyes sees about 9 to 10 MILLION pixels.  Blu-ray is 2 million pixels.  DVD is 345K pixels.  So, that argument of yours is only for the misinformed.

 

 

So you want to bring up VHS to DVD and those points then?

  • Price-- DVD's are not just marginally better to the average person than VHS, they are astronomically better.  No rewindings, greatly improved quality that anyone can see, more space, chapter skipping, menu's, more durable.  It's a huge improvement in every way over VHS.   It was very much worth the price difference.
  • Portability-- True, DVD devices were more just like BluRay devices are more today but portability wasn't an issue then.  You didn't have a VHS player in your gaming system, computer, and in the 10 Tv's in your house.  You could buy one DVD player and be good and not really worry about it.
  • Not All Movies available-- Two years after DVD hit main stream every movie was coming out on DVD.  I'll be nice though and give this point, though with the other points, the positives far outweigh the negatives.

And the training comment, "hardcore" gamers look for things like high resolution, your "girlfriend" doesn't.  Those people who don't normally look for those things aren't going to see them.  It would help if you actually read all of a post before commenting on it.

DVD were NOT more durable than VHS (that's crazy talk).  However, Blu-ray is MUCH more durable than DVD.

Here is the funny part about the 1st sentence in your "Price" section.  You say the picture quality was ASTRONOMICALLY better from VHS to DVD (272,160 pixels to 345,600 pixels).  However, you want to say the picture quality from DVD to Blu-ray (345,600 pixels to 2,073,600 pixels) is not greater?!  That's crazy talk by ALL accounts!  You can't have it both ways.

All NEW Hollywood blockbuster movie hit Blu-ray since the 2 year mark (about 6 months after HD DVD was defeated).  The only exceptions are movie shot with a low rez camera (which makes perfect sense).

Portability is sometime that came LATER with DVD.  The same is expected with Blu-ray.  Car players have been in the works, if it's not already out.  Why can't people understand that these things take TIME (like ALL things)?

Some people just don't know how to describe what they are seeing.  Most "regular Joes" would just describe it as being "clearer" than other movies.  That doesn't mean they have to "look" for it.  They just need to know the terms to describe what they are seeing.  Nothing more.

 

 

Did you even bother reading my posts or are you too busy waving your arms?  I'll say it one more time and then I'll just ignore you every time after that when you start waving your arms and ignoring actual points I made.

  • Disc media is much more durable than tape media, I don't know how else to put that.  VHS movies are rarely clear and often have something funny with them and are often dirty.  DVD's are simple to keep clean and ones I bought nearly 10 years ago work jut as well as they did today, that is rarely the case with VHS movies.
  • I am not talking resolution, I don't give a crap about resolution at the moment.  Nowhere have I even hinted at talking about that.  I'll even bold this so hopefully it will stick-- I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTION AND PIXELS WHEN TALKING ABOUT QUALITY FROM VHS TO DVD.  Do you ever remember having to play with tracking on a DVD?  No, of course not.  None of the many issues that come with VHS tapes comes with DVD's and that's what I'm talking about.  That was a huge thing.
  • I admitted I was off about the new releases comment.
  • Portability-- If you had bothered reading my post, it just wasn't a common thing for people to have VHS players everywhere.  That wasn't an issue then.  Today, it's common for most household to have multiple ways to play DVD's.  BluRay players are expensive so it is not common for people to have more than one.  That means if you buy a BluRay movie then you can only take advantage of one player.  It is going to be a long time until the average family will have multiple ways to play BluRay movies.
  • You could not imagine how many "regular joes" I know that just don't see the difference or just don't care about the difference.  Outside of techy people or super AV video, most people don't care about the difference between an upscaled DVD and a 1080p movie.  A lot of older people (lets say 35+) don't see and don't understand the difference.

So yeah, BluRay still has a long way to go.  Just like I said earlier, I like my BluRay movies and I buy them when I can but people shouldn't be so resistant to the idea that BluRay still has many negatives and it is not nearly as large as a jump as VHS to DVD was.