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wfz on 16 March 2009
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Legend11 said:
RolStoppable said:

But the new problem that occurs is that the new audience (from here on out refered to as casuals) who is buying Wiis and DSes is said to be very unstable. When will they get bored of gaming? How many games do they even buy in the first place? When will the Wii bubble burst?

The truth is that the future of hardcore gaming is entirely dependent on those casuals. If they stop buying the cash-ins of third party publishers, they are initiating a chain reaction that is going to take down hardcore gaming. The only company left standing to deliver hardcore games could be Nintendo as they wouldn't be affected by people who stop gaming. They would make less money, yes. But they still have the funds to continue to make games, because they are making money off of everyone who buys their products, not just the casuals.

 

So it's the "expanded audience" that is going to save hardcore gaming?  Grandparents, soccer moms, etc, that bought a Wii for Wii Fit, Wii Sports, and other casual games are going to be the ones we'll be playing against in FPS games?  Seriously there's a reason why games like Wii Fit, Wii Play, My Fitness Coach, etc are trouncing hardcore games on the Wii (well the ones that don't star Mario).  The Wii is no more friendly a place to hardcore games than HD consoles.  Just ask Capcom about it or even EA since the reason their hardcore sports games are underperforming is because of the Wii and its marketshare.

As for HD gaming, sure it's expensive but at least companies like Microsoft are attempting to help third-parties and give hardcore gamers fantastic games until the size of the market can catch up and support HD gaming.  Nintendo's efforts?  They passed on The Conduit when High Voltage was begging for a publisher.  Yeah that's a real friend to helping hardcore efforts on their console.  Anyways this will all be moot next generation when all the consoles are likely to be HD.  In the meantime people can celebrate EA devoting half their resources to Wii.  I wonder how many Sims games, Wii Sports knockoffs, kids licenced trash, and other garbage will come of that when those games outsell their other efforts on that system, 

As for me I'll go back to playing Gears of War 2 and other kickass hardcore games and let others lament the so-called fall of HD hardcore gaming.

 

In regards to the first paragraph, I don't think you understand Rol's point. Those "casual" players won't be playing against us, but the money they're giving to developers by buying "casual" games is helping fund the risky "hardcore" games.

Second paragraph, what the hell? High Voltage begging for a publisher? Hahahahahhaa, that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. They didn't want a publisher until they were close to finishing the game because they didn't want the publisher to get in the way of development. When they started searching around for publishers, they had quite a few publishers interested and wanting to pick the game up. They ended up choosing Sega, is that a problem that they didn't pick Nintendo? Rol never even said that Nintendo was saving hardcore gaming, he said that the "casual" players were saving it, so you're entire point is moot.

Did you even read the OP? You're not arguing his points at all.