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@ Stickball - very interesting points. Thanks for them.

I am big on universal health care due to personal experiences without it. My sis lived 2 years in France and even though she wasn't a citizen, she was able to get health care. Matter of fact, years later, she visited France on a trip and had the equivalent of $35 in her health care fund. Not sure if she used or withdrew it.

As far as the rest, Social Security still exists - and the military is a socialist organization, right?

The way you and Kasz have broken it down really makes sense, but I think a lot of folks are just piggybacking off of what other folks say. Research goes such a long way.