I figured out why 3rd parties hesitate to put their best teams on Wii games

[Pristine20]

RolStoppable said:

Pristine20 said:

If the devs who were losing money on ps360 moved to wii, there's a high chance that they'll lose money as well because they'll probably make a game you won't buy probably because it sucks. i think most are trying to find a common ground to create a game where both themselves and the consumers want. there's a reason some ps360 games have days you can play online with the developers. This makes it obvious that the devs themselves love playing the game.

As for the xbox one, the xbox architecture makes for a good excuse even with a 15% marketshare. So why did sega release Panzer Dragoon exclusive to xbox? Why did Tecmo's Team Ninja decide to become xbox exclusive? Didn't Itagaki say he liked the platform or something along those lines. Keep in mind that these are Japanese devs where it was even surprising that they knew the xbox existed considering it's performance in their country.

You say wii owners have bought the "good" 3rd party games however many of the so called good games are languishing in mediocre sales whereas many so-called"shovlware" have done well. I remnember capcom complaining about sales on the wii as well. This idea is not exclusive to HD consoles. To understand the disparity I'm talking about, make a chart of th wii's best selling games, the difference in sales is too great to be attributed to "3rd partys suck", "nintendo makes the best games" and the other terms people throw around. In reality, most wii owners simply buy only nintendo's games and my household is no different. With the exception of Trauma Center, all the wii games my 10 year old brother has "gotten" are from nintendo and he's looking forward to the next mario, zelda, pokemon, etc like most wii owners not the next 3rd party game on the horizon and if I'm not mistaken Benga made a thread showing that 3rd party wii exclusives for 2009 are actually more than the PS360 combined yet most wii owners are blind to these. Your complaints make it obvious that even you probably didn't even realize this.

As for the  term "nintendo's games sell on nintendo's consoles", I think there's a lot of truth in that statement although I don't know why that is. For camparison, I think a game like Mario 64 would probably have sold much less on PS1 than N64 and it would feel more like equal ground with other third party games o a different console not a constant breakaway hit as it is on ninty's systems. This is just a feeling of mine thou so take it with a grain of salt.

Wait a second. These thread is about first string development teams. You think that there's a high probability that Wii games made by them would suck? Talented developers should be able to make good games on the Wii, especially because the scope of the projects is much easier to manage.

Because Sega tried to make themselves as important as possible to all three console manufacturers, to get maybe moneyhatted in the future? After the Dreamcast era ended, Sega pumped out a lot of exclusive ports and new exclusives for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. Hardly any of their games went multiplatform in the beginning. Regarding Tecmo, that's obviously the best support Microsoft could get on board at that time. Of course Itagaki would say that he liked the Xbox after Microsoft's money made it possible for him to develop the games he wanted.

No, only some games deemed as shovelware have done well on the Wii and for every successful one of these titles, there are dozens which failed. On the other hand, nearly all good games sold enough to be profitable and in some cases get sequels. This shows that the chance for success is much higher with a good game than a cheap cash-in. Capcom shouldn't complain too much after their Resident Evil games sold two to four times as many copies as expected by themselves. Just because not all of their games did great, doesn't mean that there's a problem with the Wii. Games fail to meet expectations on all systems.

Nintendo's games have always sold way more than the games of any other publisher. As noname2200 mentioned previously, 33 out of 50 of the best selling videogames of all time were made by Nintendo. There's something that Nintendo games have, which the games of most publishers lack. Of course due to the quality of Nintendo games, people will stick to them, because it's the safer bet when purchasing a new game.

"Wii exclusive" doesn't equal high quality game, it's up in the air how many of those games turn out to be good in the end. Besides, the number of Wii exclusives was always higher than the one for the other systems. It's previous efforts of third parties on the Wii which are the reason why not many people are getting their hopes up too high for most of these games.

I can tell you one of the reasons why Nintendo's games have blockbuster sales: The controllers for their systems are designed for their games, not the other way around. That's one part of the Nintendo magic.

Yes, you know why? because they probably won't put any "love" into making the games if they were forced to. I highly doubt a wii version of cod4 by IW would've been any good.

Thats fair that you believe it was all moneyhat. However, I find it strange that M$ would court Itagaki out of the blue. What did he do before ninja gaiden to make him deserving of this? Most of M$ obvious moneyhats this gen have been to accomplished devs and franchises.

You used the term "games fail to meet expectations on all systems". We finally have some common ground.

Thats fine that ninty's games sell a lot. It's the disparity I question. It ridiculously high. i've never seen that kind of phenomenon on any non-ninty console. like I said, the cop-out answer is always, "they're too good" but this is simply false. They may be good but not that much better than everyone else. maybe there's something ninty's games have even if I personally can't see it but that thing is also making people ignore other offerings which is leaving 3rd parties with no choice but to abandon their platform. Since you guys stick to ninty's games instead of actually trying others out, whats the point of a 3rd party effort? Call it "disruption" but with the wii, I feel like nintendo designed a platform only they could profit from and they're the only ones profiting from it.

That's fair enough. However,  clogging all "3rd parties" together and judging them as a whole is probably the same reason they'll never make any progress with the wii. Some do make an effort but most wii owners clog them up with the "Imagine series" group anyway.

...because they designed the system and planned ahead? Magic doesn't exist. Notice how only sony's first/second party games don't have installs on ps3? It's a pretty similar concept.