Marvelous wants to step up from Wii to 'more hardcore platforms'

[Mise]

foont said:
Does anyone else feel like the whole "hardcore vs. casual" is just a fallacious dichotomy perpetuated by gamers and the industry as a means of manipulating one another like so many puppets? Because I do.

YES! I agree that the HC/Casual gamer- nonsense is just a clever way to categorize the gaming public into two arbitrary and ambigous groups, and it doubles as an convenient excuse as to why a certain game fails/succeeds/whatever.  And, consequently, one of these groups is always (attempting to) ruin(ing) the industry, from a fanboys point of view. Sanity is for noobs, etc.

A good game is a good game, regardless of platform, genre, or technology. Yes, some games have more technical punch behind them, but that doesn't determine the quality of a game. I'm just as likely to have a blast playing a good platforming game on the Sega Master System as I am playing a good shooter on a 360 or PS3.

It's a shame many people aren't as open-minded about gaming as you are. But then again, the internet would be a much more boring place if everyone could respect others and their opinions.

For some reason it especially bugs me when developers use terms like "hardcore" or "casual" because the terms didn't exist until about two years ago, and everyone's definition varies anyway. I mean, I expect the usage of this word from 13-year-old fanboys trying to justify the fact that mom bought them Console A instead of Console B.

Exactly. They're buzzwords, just like AAA-game is, for instance. The best (and perhaps only) justification for buying a gaming device is, IMO, that it either has the games you like, or it will have the games you like.

If Marvelous would like to make games for the HD consoles, then awesome-- I can't wait to see what they come up with ... but to continue the false dilemma that the Wii isn't "hardcore" is a bit childish. Yes, a good chunk of the Wii's library is forgettable, and maybe the demographics are different and/or broader, but the good games, are good. Period. There's no lockout chip that prevents a "hardcore" game (whatever that is) from working on the Wii.

Pretty much this, again. Marvelous can develop for any platform that it wants/is able to, and if they can make great games, more power to them. And at the same time, Wii is perfectly able to support games for gaming enthusiasts and has proven this already with several sublime titles. Any developer with a half a brain should be able to see this already, even if they don't want to support the platfrom for one reason or another.

Sorry for the slightly off-topic rant. It's been building up for a while. I know, this is just one dudes opinion, but still, hearing the terms "hardcore" and "casual" makes me want to use my balls as a pin cushion until I'm manly enough to understand what it means to be hardcore.

No reason to apolozige - your post was probably one of the sanest things I've seen on this board, let alone this thread.