Games that you've "forced" yourself to get through & reason...

[The Fury]

Khuutra said:

Godot said:

Khuutra said:

Pristine20 said:

I admit that I didn't see Venat coming. but if "it" had ended up being the real thing to contend with not Vayne, I'd have been happier I guess. My real problem was that I was expecting emotional touches like FFX and FFVIII lol. The story just felt distant and like just another war between kingdoms.

Venat was the source of the primary conflict throughout the game, the driving force behind both Vayne and Cid, and the source of knowledge about the Magicite and Nethicite. The conflict between the Occuria and humanity was the source of all the major decision-making which was leveled by Ashe and Basch and the rest, and the source of the driving forces behind the actionso f half the major characters.

You didn't guess everything from the beginning. You didn't even guess a quarter of it.

Venat was exactly the same as Yu Yevon in FFX. A cheap explanation of why the main villain is so strong. The Occuria were actually pretty random and when we saw them for the first time, I was like "what the fuck?". They didn't explain what/who they were and yet the main characters didn't bother to tell us what they know about them.

...Venat was exactly the same as Yu Yevon?

So Yu Yevon was the primary force that set it up that the heroes were able to defeat the big bad, instead of actually being the big bad himself?

Venat's entire purpose was to give humanity the tools it needed to rid the world of the power of the Occuria and thereafter remove himself entirely, so that humanity would be the arbiters of their own destiny. That was why Venat told Vayne that their purpose had been fulfilled, more than Vayne could ever know.

The Occuria were the gods. Their backstory was lightly touched upon in the main narrative because their oirgins weren't nearly as important as the fact that they controlled humanity through Nethicite and the Dynast-King, but their entire backstory was basically laid out in the mythology outlined in the monster encyclopedia entries, particularly with the Esper entries.

Venat is nothing like Yu Yevon and saying that they are "exactly the same" is just obscene.

That's kind of how I understood it also, which I said earlier, but I think Godot was trying to point out that Venat and Yu Yevon were just the reasons the final bosses were so powerful.

Of course the Occuria could also be talked about in future Ivalice games.