| The_vagabond7 said: Ok 2. @slimebeast I don't believe solidly in a multiverse, I regard it merely as a possibility. Ignorance doesn't equal faith. (though this guy seems to think so) What happened to start the big bang? Not sure yet, but that doesn't mean a unicorn did it. It's not "god" I have a problem with. That is an unprovable position one way or another. It's the god of any religion that is clearly a relic of ancient civilizations and tribes. And if you take those gods out of the equation, if you think yahweh is a brutal dictator that lead a tribe that acts much like the vicious theocracies of today, That Jesus was the result of that brutal tribe no longer having military might preventing them from being able to commit mass genocide and instead decide to give peace a chance, once you take Allah, the hindu gods, ect ect out of the picture, why would I believe in a space man instead of a natural mechanistic cause? You say the problem is the beginning, and that guy doesn't come up with a solution to it. He just claims he does by using grossly flawed logic. He says that God didn't need a beginning because he existed before the big bang and thusly before time so there is no concept of beginning. But that argument can apply to a non space man cause just as easily. A point he conveniently never comes to. |
You've read Dawkins too much. He doesn't address the problem of the first cause (as much as he should for a person that attacks theism as much as he does). The fallacy of tribe religions throughout history in this world doesn't disqualify God.
It boils down to something very simple though - the first cause. Stuff don't come out of nothing without a reason. I'm sure you as a former zealot has asked many times - where did we come from? Why and how is there anything - there shouldn't be any stuff! And by all logic there must be a reason.
Multiverse is a horrible invention to address that problem. It's insulting. But it's the only explanation if you can't accept a God as an explanation. (because just like the guy in the article argued, multiverse is the only plausible natural mechanistic cause to explain why the universe came to being 13.5 billion years ago and not 13.500000000000000000000001 years ago or any other number you can come up with)
