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Slimebeast on 15 February 2009
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Soleron said:
Slimebeast said:
The_vagabond7 said:
String theory suggests a multiverse and alot of theoretical physics is moving in the direction of there being an infinite number of universes. Provable? Not right now. But I guess that is enough for God to exist.

His assertion that at some point our universe needs a non mechanistic free will agent is based on some rather clumsy assumptions and "well we don't know this for a fact, so it was god" kind of reasoning. It's more of the same, just very lengthy and with an ounce of eduction about physics.

 

 Are you mocking him just for the sake of it, or you really don't understand the essence of the problem?

The essence of the problem is the question of first cause - stuff don't come out of nothing.

Meanwhile you are actually willing to believe (it seems you're even leaning towards that belief) in the crazy idea that there exists an infinite number of universes?

I understand that people can buy this multiverse theory at a first glance, but people that really have given thought about it - if they still believe in such thing, I can't take them seriously. Also I know then what it comes down to, they don't want to believe in a God. No matter the spin, they will take anything else for an explanation.

 

The multiverse theory is physically sound. I'm not going to say whether I think it is correct or what bearing it has on the validity of evolution/ID, but know that many interpretations of Quantum Mechanics (and ALL of them are valid and equally justified) postulate either multiple universes with different physical constants, or many-worlds with wavefunction collapse creating perpendicular realities. None of this is weird, an there is far weider stuff in QM that is 100% certain, like time travel, entanglement, the uncertainty principle and the violation of Bell's inequality.

Actually, multiple universes are the best way to get around much worse problems. The main alternative to it is that the human mind is special and retroactively causes the universe to exist by collapsing the wavefunction backwards in time. And some well-respected physicists believe that.

 

I don't like replies like this, I've seen them so many times. Use of scientific tech speech that's mostly confusing and spins off the subject and with the undertone of making it sound like it's perfectly believable (perhaps it wasn't your intention, and you felt you had to be specific to avoid misunderstandings, so no offence).

I started by saying or hinting (to The_vagabond7) that the multiverse theory is an invention to solve the problem of the first cause of our universe. With bizarre implications - and that is indeed weird.

Soleron, by your post you only added that the multiverse theory is also used to address the problem of materia on the quantum level not behaving as it "should be", as expected in classical theory.

Can't you really see the spin in both cases? The essence of the problem is the same.

And how on earth can you say "None of this is weird, and there is far weider stuff in QM that is 100% certain"? It's circular reasoning - the observations are weird (that materia doesn't behave as expected) but by inventing a weird theory to explain it (multiverse) it ain't weird anymore.