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wfz said:
Pristine20 said:
epsilon72 said:
Pristine20 said:
epsilon72 said:
Pristine20, how do you explain the fact that some of us have parents, grandparents, extended family, etc. that have had meaningful relationships for decades?

I wouldn't call having a successful relationship an exception to the rule. All it takes is a bit of maturity and selflessness.

 

Just when I was hoping this thread would die...

Meaningful relationships =/= love. Check my previous posts for why I think some couples stick together. Also, the divorce rate have increased since parents and grandparents. This is what the data available says.

Really?  You have a really strange and different idea of what love is then...

 

Yeah, I'm not sure the concept exists. Loving someone = willing to die in their place (very concept of christianity). If only we could test this and see how many of those who are "in love" actually pass...

 

There are varying degrees and different forms of love. You can change the definition to suit whatever you want, to pretend like it can't exist, but that hardly changes the feelings many people have for others. I'm not arguing about anything else you said, but I really think it's a bit silly for you to deny that the feeling of love itself doesn't exist. You can argue back if you want, I find it hard to argue about love with logic and facts, but the truth is, love isn't something that is so easily defined. I'm not a psychologist, but I've felt really deep and caring feelings for people, and to me that's love.

I just want to put one thought in your head to think about though, most of "us" don't see love as one specific state, there are varying types of love for different relationships, and there are varying degrees of it, just like with any other emotion.

I will also say this, and it's been shown countless times in history, people WILL die to protect another person. Are you seriously denying this happens? I don't know your exact definition of love, but it's very possible that your idea of it doesn't exist. That however, doesn't mean that other people don't feel very attached and caring to others. Maybe you just need to redefine what love means to you.

Damn, arguing about what an emotion is and who feels it and when is pretty damn hard to do with logic and facts. I'd have just as hard a time arguing about what being "happy" is. It's really easy to twist and convolute these types of things to fit what you want it to.

One last thing though; lets say that I have this definiton in my head for what "happy" means. Now the definition I have set up for "happy" is beyond reach of what humans actually feel, but that doesn't mean that they aren't having those feelings of elation that they call "happiness", right? Or does everyone stop feeling "happy" because my definition of it is different from theirs?

This turned out a hella lot longer than I anticipated.

*applause* amazing post man, really it is, which is the big picture here, everyone has different opinions but to impose your ideals and version of the truth upon someone else and as right is very wrong especially when doing it in a personal manner.  Really makes me think of his post where he said it's hard to see beyond the social conditioning and fairytales, when everything we believe in even his beliefs are due to some sort of social conditioning.  Which means his view of the world is as null and void to us as our's is to him and to present your truth as the only truth is just going to piss people off as he has been doing and seems to enjoy doing.



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