Do You Believe in God or a Higher Power?

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Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Final-Fan said:

Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Rath said:

Nirvana_Nut85 said:
The unfortunate thing is that site's like Expelled exposed never let the other side answer or respond to any of the claims or debunking statements that it supports. They use their opinions and supposed "Facts" taken from the other side and don't ask the people from the movie to respond to it.

You have to admit though, life starting on the backs of crystals sounds a lot more out there than an intelligent higher beinging.

The evidence against Expelled is pretty damning as far as lacking journalistic integrity goes. I'm sure there are far more respectible sources of information of ID than that movie.

Even the single incident of the Charles Darwin quotation issue (Wiki) is enough to make the entire movie a farce, let alone all the other reported incident.

I personally think it was more along the lines of "know you know how we feel" because the lack of integrity in some of the things that evolutionists say about people of religious beliefs ect is very ignorant.

I mean why haven't any of these sources who claim to debunk the people of the movie for example ask the actual people to be able to comment on what was being said after? It'll never happen because thats not how things work. They'll say well I.D is a ridiculous theory and from their perspective it may very well be but I find it ridiculous that they wont even allow proper debates to be held and at least give the I.D guys a chance to give their side.

Are you seriously suggesting that 'it's okay for us to do it because someone did it to us first'?  Also, I don't think the types of comments you refer to rise to the level of entire documentary movies full of false propaganda.

Many debates have in fact taken place, so it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about.  Or have they all been "improper"?

You obviously cant maintain a level of maturity when in a discussion if you have to make a comment like "you don't know what your talking about" Being ignorant doesn't make your argument vailid.

It's not full of false propaganda, have you even watched it? Have you looked at both sides of the spectrum ? judging by your comments I assume you haven't. The people in the movie were never contacted to defend themselves as usual, but we'll take the word of what some of the Universities said because they wouldn't lie and be unbiased.

Also I don't consider public forums and internet chatter proper debates. The only publicized debate that comes to mind was the Kirk Cameron one and he's not a scientist by any means, it was more of a joke than anyhting because (a) they didn't represent their side of the argument that well and niether did the gentleman and the big breasted bimbo who threw more insults than intellect in the supposed debate.

THey need real scientists up there from boths sides and give it actual coverage  in a debate forum. I would consider that proper, wouldn't you?

http://www.bridgewater.edu/campus_info/pr/evolution%20debate.html

Either you are ignorant of the fact that this debate and others took place, or you don't consider these guys "real scientists" or the debate format "proper".  I allowed for both of these possibilities in my post, although I admit I think one explanation is more likely. 

I call it false propaganda because -- well, did you even look at the Darwin misquote criticism?  I have indeed looked at the Intelligent Design viewpoints, albeit with a skeptical mind but not with a closed one.  I have found the ID arguments to be interesting, but all over the place.  The arguments don't seem to promote any ID theory as such nearly so much as just trying to poke holes in current evolution theory.  This allows ID to, hydra-like, ignore arguments that get chopped down and simply grow new ones. 

I haven't watched the entire movie, but IIRC I watched a significant portion of it, enough to know that it was a hack job of one-sided information and "creative" editing techniques, with "OMG HOLOCAUST" thrown in just to stir the pot.  I seriously doubt there are any arguments about ID in it that I haven't heard before.