VGC Poll: Abortion

[Final-Fan]

mrstickball said:

Final-Fan said:

mrstickball said:
Very well then, Final Fan. I can understand your point that *if* (which is where we argue) a Fetus is meaningless/not a human, then those 'rights' come in to play. But it's the pro-life position that the *if* statement swings in favor of it being a Fetus. Hopefully, in the future, we get better medical direction to remove the grey area. But until then, I tend to be on the cautious, lets-not-kill-50m million fetuses side of the argument

Well, I think we have a reasonable amount of proof that a lot of what you consider gray area really isn't ... but then you disagree

Then we can save that for another topic, I guess. But when I see a picture like this (warning: Graphic if you consider a fetus anything of worth) it makes me sincerely desire that said entity get a shot at life, rather than the whims of a disillusioned mother.

If you want to argue if a fetus is a useless piece of flesh, unworthy to be considered anything of worth, then I await a healthy debate on the subject. As I said previously, I am very convinced on this matter that said fetuses should get a shot at life. Being pro-choice, to me, should be a matter if the mother wants to keep the child, or give it away. Of course, that view is not what we're debating, however. I can only hope that, in my life, my wife and I can adopt as many children as possible, and give them them a shot at a good life.

Those kind of shock tactics would make PETA proud.  Do you think you could tell the difference between the pictured body and a monkey of similar age? 

I would argue that a fetus has worth as a potential person, but is not a person.  So if the mother feels it would be unfair hardship on both her and the potential child if she brought it into the world, then she may decide to take steps to prevent that from happening.  This destroys the potential, but doesn't destroy a person, because no person (yet) existed.  It is unfortunate when this occurs but it can sometimes be the least bad option available. 

On another note, I understand that this is a subject you have very, very strong feelings about, but please keep your rhetoric in check.  When you say stuff like "a useless piece of flesh, unworthy to be considered anything of worth" it makes me question your ability to look at this from any point of view other than your own in a rational, calm way.