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bdbdbd said:
@TheProf: The idea in taking MMO:s out (although it's pretty often used in the wrong way), is actually the same thing as taking out Wii or DS, to show how the market is changing. You could take out handhelds from Japan for the same purpose. Well, people don't whine about WoW in the same fashion they do with Wii.

As for the HD costs, the industry was going down in profits years before the HD consoles came out. One of the ideas behind Wii is to expand the audience for the whole industry, not just new genres. Sonys model where they catered for the Singstar audience or the traditional audience, is the model that people accuse Nintendo, when Nintendos key strategy lies in the bridge titles.

Now, the problem with the HD consoles is (aside from Sony and M$ demanding the games being in HD), that the developers make their games expensive, it's the only way they see their games can perform (which obviously isn't true).

The timeframe indeed is a little fuzzy, but where i base my estimation about this year being the "core game" year, is because Nintendo started to talk about competition in the latter half last year. It could also be that Nintendo is relying on 3rd parties on the core titles, notice how Reggie mentions Conduit and/or Madworld in every interview. But, since titles planned for the christmas period last year propably got delayed due WM+ (it and Wii Speak are new features, which also are targeted towards the core), i believe they come out this year.

Kid Icarus was never announced. And what titles were downgraded?

I have a docs appointment so i can go into complete detail, but taking anything out depends solely on the context. If taking something out makes a difference, then you need to look at why it is being taken out. In the wii case, nothing changes, market is still growing, if you take the ds and the wii when focus is supposed to be on the wii, then a change happens. The same goes for pc gaming. Know what I mean?

That's the thing I don't accuse nintendo of opening the market, I blame them for closing the market to everyone else (people like me).

i agree, HD plat can hae great selling cheap games. The problem is that, if the game isn't unique enough, then you must rely on visuals, or else there is nothing.

Kid Icarus never being announced is just another upset :P There should be one. And by downgraded, I mean anything that suffers the Killzone effect or anything that is pushed back. SSBB TP and others. Good games are getting delays on all systems, but at least PC and HD have them out all the time (good being defined as something I like, so the argument is pretty flimsy. But from my viewpoint that is pretty shitty)