Final-Fan said:
Onimusha12 said:
Final-Fan said:
Onimusha12 said:
Final-Fan said:
Onimusha12 said:
Final-Fan said:
My point was that you said 360 fans accepted RRoD (which was eventually true), while contrasting that with the PS3 fans in denial about the Sixaxis and its motion controls and lack of rumble. But, just as 360 fans have accepted the severity of the RRoD problem (now that it's in the past), so too did PS3 fans accept the inferiority of Sixaxis motion control compared with the Wii Remote (few games used it and it's a fairly ignored function) and the fact that lack of rumble was a serious omission (now that they have the DS3 available).
By contrasting the PS3 fans with the 360 fans who have accepted the severity of the RRoD, you imply that the PS3 fans have NOT accepted the shortcomings of the Sixaxis, which is blatantly false AFAIK. |
Except there are still many PS3 fans who sing the praises of Sixaxis, and rather than the Sony fandom conceding to the SixAxis' shortcomings we see more of an avoidance to even speak of the issue. Denial by Silence is still denial. |
I find this very hard to believe. The Dual Shock 3 came out in all regions by the start of July. When was the last time you saw someone singing the praises of the Sixaxis? Or defending it against people who said that the lack of rumble was bad or that its motion controls were inferior to the Wii controllers'? |
Anytime someone talks about that warhawk flying game. The last time said rumble was bad was when Sony announced the PS3 controller wouldn't have it, now since they've announced it will be back, no one has any reason to pretend its bad anymore. |
1. So, what would be a specific, real example of Warhawk fans saying that Sixaxis motion controls are comparable in overall quality to Wii motion controls?
2. So, now you're agreeing with me. |
1. When was admitting Six-Axis was superior to the Wiimote ever required to show that people still aren't making excuses for it or defending it? Now you're just trying to add a new card on the deck to garnish your argument. People still give props to Six-Axis, people still praise Blu-Ray as a necessity to gaming, people still rave about the Cell processor, people still praise manditory installations, people still praise the PS-Eye, people still praise HOME, people still praise every new PS3 exclusive as the Game of the Year. If you think Six-Axis is all there is to my argument then you're gravely mistaken.
2. If in fact I am then the only question now is why you ever made it a point of contention in the first place. But that's besides the point. The point was never to say people still thought rumble was stupid but that they were that easy to manipulate into thinking so for a period of time and then so quickly rejoice at the inclusion of Dualshock 3, despite just bieng Dualshock 2.
If you really want to see that Sony fanbase in its true state of denial, and hardware discussion doesn't suffice you need look no further than the article on the front page discussing Sony's new Spin to see the lengths the Sony fandom will go to in order to defend their precious Sony. Even then Vgchartz is hardly the most popular place for the Sony community at large, using this site as anything but the tip of the iceberg is laughable as you're trying to do in establishing a seeming lack of support for my claims. |
1. Since when does "comparable to" necessarily mean "equal to", let alone "superior to"? I'm just asking you to back up your claim, it's not that complicated. I just want to make sure you're not confusing Warhawk fans saying that Sixaxis motion controls are implemented well in a game with the claim that Sixaxis motion controls are comparable (which could mean as good or better, but could also mean not as good but still in the ballpark) as Wii motion controls.
The fact that you are now misinterpreting me and ignoring my request makes me wonder if you can back up this particular claim in the least. And it's not a new wrinkle in my argument at all, the "AFAIK" was a subtle request for a rebuttal if you could muster one.
You do have a decent point that perhaps I have been focusing on the Sixaxis too exclusively, but I'm not trying to engage you on the general subject at this time, only specific alleged examples. Such a general debate would be massive and while I might be willing, I am not yet going there. You are overreaching by far with some of those examples, like HOME -- is it not worth defending the potential of a service that is still quite new? Can it not vastly mature and improve as many such social networks/games have? And what is wrong with the PS Eye?
2. Allow me to quote myself: "By contrasting the PS3 fans with the 360 fans who have accepted the severity of the RRoD, you imply that the PS3 fans have NOT accepted the shortcomings of the Sixaxis, which is blatantly false AFAIK." In resect to rumble, you have now said: "now since they've announced it will be back, no one has any reason to pretend its bad anymore." I.e. they accepted it once Sony admitted the problem, which is exactly what happened with many 360 fans. This contrasts with your original implication that they to this day deny that rumble is or would be an asset to the PS3 controller.
So, these people who thought rumble was unnecessary because Sony said so, and only changed their minds when Sony admitted that rumble was needed, are in fact not so dissimilar as you claimed from people who stayed in desperate denial of the RRoD problem during the time that MS PR was doing the same. Which was my point.
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1. I'm refusing your request because its based on puting words in my mouth. PS3 fans being in denial over Six-Axis does not require them to suggest it is comprable to or superior to the Wii Motion Controls so your request of this is moot. You're just spinning your wheels in hopes that you can snag me on a self-imposed rule that you feel should be included in the argument after the fact.
2. Its not my fault you misinterpreted my statement or have been reduced to trying to exploit such an isolated piece of semantics as the backbone of your argument.
3. In the end, if there is any validity to your argument, then why are you reduced to such inconsequential points of contention? Allow me to repeat the sum of my cliam which you've done everything to cherry pick your way out of.
The Sony Fandom still give props to Six-Axis, people still praise Blu-Ray as a necessity to gaming, people still rave about the Cell processor, people still praise manditory installations, people still praise the PS-Eye, people still praise HOME, people still praise every new PS3 exclusive as the Game of the Year.
Unless you can refute all of these then you're simply just cherry picking to create the illusion of having an argument. Even if you were right about Six-Axis (which all you have to the benefit of your argument is the lack of Sony having released anything that would beg the issue since 2007), where does that leave you on the rest of these?
