| Sqrl said:Well the part I was referring to was your questioning why others weren't banned. If you understand why they weren't when KZ3 was then I'm not sure why this issue was brought up as we would then see eye to eye on it. |
What I'm trying to say is that if the pictures were moded before hand, it would not have gotten to a point that a ban was necessary for anyone. Like Benkenobi said, Killzone3 was doing just fine before his Wii fanboy remark. This wouldn't have happen if it wasn't for those pictures. The pictures ended up doing nothing but aggrevate memebrs, as Killzone3's remark was in response to those pictures.
The only reason I disagree with the pictures being "outright" trolling is because of the context of the thread. Context is extremely important. IIRC every post up to that point was pretty much a carbon copy of "Awe shucks I was really hoping the other reviewers were wrong but it seems like this is confirmation". If someone was vigorously defending the game and the pics were posted then yes its trolling but in a thread topic where everybody is pretty much in agreement the game is going to be bad I don't see the issue with it.
I get what you're saying, but even if true, you still have to take into consideration that the pictures did nothing, and I mean nothing to contribute to the thread. Not were the pictures mindless bashing, they were also on the spamming side, too! I really, really think they should have been taken care of.
Your example is actually a great one because you quoted shams and twisted his words to mean the complete opposite as a direct responce to him. That moves it into the category of trollish, sorry to say. You were mocking shams point to make your own. Personally I would just ignore it unless you had taken it another step, but I can see how people would take exception to it. Posting and saying you feel like it should of been higher because you thought it was better than MP3 would be fine, but once again its all about how you do it.
I never once mocked Shams. It was him who brought up the Metroid vs Heavenly Sword score, I was replying to his to his response about about the game being a 7 compared to metroids 9. I feel the exact opposite, and that why I posted how I feel about the game scores. It had nothing to do with me trying to show up Shams. Even Benkenobi, a mod, said it was alright for me to think Heavenly Sword was better. If there was a problem with my post, Benkenobi wouldn've did something. It's not like I just came out of the blue and said, "Heavenly Sword owns Metroid!!!.
See I disagree with the bolded part. In my book if you can't come in and make the point civily then you don't really deserve consideration. Just to be clear I am saying a flamer/troll's opinion is not valid. The point they were trying to make may very well of been valid but due to the way they approach it I refuse to give them consideration because to do so is to validate their methods.
I think that everyone's opinions should be respected. I don't care what console a person like. There's no reason why someone opinion doesn't deserved to be respected, and although there are some members I don't agree, I still respect their opinions.
On the double standard issue, I have yet to see an example of clear cut double standard. What I have seen is people expressing their opinions get flamed and thats why I was stressing the opinion=/=trolling point. I think Ben and Shams are more inclined to agree with Wii owners but I have not seen an instance where two people were clearly flaming away and only one of them got a ban.
I honestly don't understand how you don't see it. Considering that most of the active mods are Nintendo fans, it's only natrual that there will be a highter level of tolerance towards Nintendo fans. Like you said, Shams and Benkenobi are more inclined to agree with other Nintendo fans. However, they're also more inclined not trolling against Sony or MS as seriously as they would as if was Nintendo. This is where the double standard comes from.
Let me stress this to the absolute maximum just to make sure it is understood. If you are being trolled/flamed/insulted by a Wii fan under no circumstances respond in kind. Allowing him to continue to make an ass of himself only helps solidify your viewpoint and further show that its the Wii fan causing the issue. Then if nothing is done you have a clear cut case and I would gladly back you up on it. Simply do not engage in it. It is really that simple.
I've never been flamed at all on this site, so this has never been a problem for me. I love the community on this site, and I don't have any problems with Nintendo fans or Sony fans.
But more than that consider the the fact that a mod is not in every thread all the time constantly hitting refresh. So as a mod if you get into that thread late and you see a few people have posted pictures and a page later everything explodes with the picture posters being flamed. Which action are you going to consider more severe? The posting of a picture or active flaming? The point is its very easy to play monday morning QB but the mods aren't always able to read every post in every thread. Often times they are coming into threads late and checking the last 10 or so posts to make sure all is well. So if you have an issue with a post then report it to make sure a mod sees it and reads it.
I understand that, but if that's the case, Killzone should not have been, as it was those pictures that aggrevated him to the point that he made a very flamish remark. Can you honestly sit back and say those pictures didn't cause any trouble at all?
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Another thing I would like to bring up about this subject is:
You said that we PS3 fans are out numbered. This, in my opinion, is not true. This site has plenty of active Playstation fans. The Sony forum is every bit as ative as the Nintendo forum. The problem is the in the mod roster. It isn't balanced enough, and there are very few mods we Playstation fans can count on to keep thing safe. he only mods I feel I can count on are Stof, CK and Ben. With everyone else I get the "why bother feeling."
