Grampy said:
Rainbird said:
I don't think it is fair to say that reviewers need to change their reviewing skills because the old machines (and PS360) were too complex in controls and what not.
How many games have come out for the Wii that goes like anything on the other platforms in terms of gameplay and story? Medal of Honor, Metroid Prime, Zelda, Resident Evil 4.
That list of games is not a long one, and I feel that it is not the Wii itself, but the games for it that are making hardcores shun it. I can think of only a couple of games that I want for the Wii versus many times more on either the PS3 or the 360.
Resident Evil 4, MadWorld, Super Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes and Okami.
That there is certainly not enough to justify buying a console for me there, and one of those games aren't even out yet.
On the PS3, I can think of more titles I want than on the Wii, that aren't out yet. God of War III, Uncharted 2, new Ratchet & Clank, Mirror's Edge 2, Assasin's Creed 2, Gran Turismo 5, Heavy Rain and the list goes on. Hell, I just bought four new games that I have been looking forward to.
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I never said you wouldn't or they should. I just think they better realize that not everyone is an 18 year old Male like you. We already know what you like and that you'll like the reviews. You are not however the whole world.
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You said this:
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Who wouldn’t buy into this simplified approach? The so called “hard core gamer” who has actually leveraged the reflexes and aggressive competitiveness of a primarily young male demographic and invested enough time to master the over complex controls and to be proficient at them.
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You are insinuating that the hardcore players are afraid of the Wii because it will undermine the skills they have earned over a long time.
I say that there is far too few games on the Wii that are of the same style as the games on the platforms of previous generations and also the PS360, for these players to recognize the Wii as a viable gaming solution on par with the platforms I mentioned.
Mind you, I am not dissing the Wii or those who own it as their primary gaming source in any way. In my original post, I was merely coming to my own conclusion of why the Wii has been continuesly shunned by a majority of hardcore gamers. It is all about the image of the console. And the games on the console are a huge part of that. Hell, if all the carnival games released on the Wii had blood and guts all over them, or if there was a great GTA title on it, or if the games targeted towards the hardcore gamers were on the Wii, guess who would be all over it? The hardcore gamers. But these games are on the PS360, and only recently have they started to move onto the Wii.
EDIT: And about the image of the Wii. E3 2008, need I say more?
Grampy said:
Rainbird said:
TWRoO said:
Rainbird said:
I don't think it is fair to say that reviewers need to change their reviewing skills because the old machines (and PS360) were too complex in controls and what not.
How many games have come out for the Wii that goes like anything on the other platforms in terms of gameplay and story? Medal of Honor, Metroid Prime, Zelda, Resident Evil 4.
That list of games is not a long one, and I feel that it is not the Wii itself, but the games for it that are making hardcores shun it. I can think of only a couple of games that I want for the Wii versus many times more on either the PS3 or the 360.
Resident Evil 4, MadWorld, Super Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes and Okami.
That there is certainly not enough to justify buying a console for me there, and one of those games aren't even out yet.
On the PS3, I can think of more titles I want than on the Wii, that aren't out yet. God of War III, Uncharted 2, new Ratchet & Clank, Mirror's Edge 2, Assasin's Creed 2, Gran Turismo 5, Heavy Rain and the list goes on. Hell, I just bought four new games that I have been looking forward to.
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See that is where the reviewers are failing, they are assuming they are correct and everyone else is not..... I can think of more games I am willing to buy for the Wii than for the PS3 and 360 combined, does that mean you are more "hardcore" than me? maybe it does.... I would have thought my 2500+ hours of Wii only gaming in the past 22 months might have counted for something, but if you are right then I must be wrong.
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Of course not! But isn't this entire thread about the "hardcores" that are dissing the Wii?
My point is, it is not the simplified controls of the Wii that are (or was) making it unpopular in the eyes of many a hardcore gamer, but the games it brought with it. The fact that many of the games that these people were familiar with kept releasing on the PS360, left even more focus on all the half-assed carnival games on the Wii.
The Wii became a clown at a grown-ups party, because it wasn't trying to fit into the party, but bring new people to the party.
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There is a novel concept. Imagine that, I just thought it was a commercial product in a open market place. I didn't even realize it was YOUR PARTY.
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Okay, that is just stupid. You know what the Wii isn't either? A medicament. It is just an analogy.
It is not MY PARTY. But if you owned a console in the last generation, you owned a console that had plenty of games to offer for the hardcore gamers. That was how the "party" was, the only move towards a broader audience came with games like Singstar. Then the Wii comes along and opens up the party to a lot more people, people who previosly had no interest in joining the party.
See where my analogy is going?
