Microsoft is helping Nintendo to win this war???

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@ ChichiriMuyo

I read so much bs I had to post.

"Three, if the 360 is more accessable, offers better features, and compete on level ground on the most basic matter then I've gotta ask: Why does the PS3 sell more units when priced $100 more than the 360 while not providing a superior product? That should damn well be a tip that MS isn't really putting the hurt on Sony at all"

The 360 has out sold PS3 every month this year in the largest video game market. If that doesn't "put a hurt" your lost to reason.

"Of course, the truth about MS is that they don't give a crap about winning the console wars as long as Sony loses. "

It has been stated from the beginning. Microsoft wants in the living room. Webtv was the first step. Xbox was there offence. They are here to stay and its not just about some hate for another company. Its about money and the future.

"The PS3 did outsell the 360 while it cost $100 more, man. Imagine how lopsided their little battle would be if the consoles cost the same amount. And let's not forget, last generation essentially proved that MS would be forced out of the market if they charged more for their system than Sony does"

Out sold because of Japan. For what ever reason they are not interested in the 360. In NA as stated pervious they are outsold by 360. In europe the numbers are to close to call. In addition, MS was forced out of the market? What do you call the 360?

"PS1 came back against the Saturn and took a MASSIVE lead, eventually leading to Sega leaving the market."

The reason PS1 took the lead is because of a simple equation. More consoles sold = more games = more consoles sold = .. See how that works? Most of the population does not check message boards, hold some alligence, etc. Its about Games. Things are looking good for 360 in NA imo.

" I just don't think MS's choices, good or bad, are as influencial in who is going to win this generation as the first two factors. Not by any stretch of the imagination."

Im happy you inclused "think" because I also think your view is twisted. I believe 360 will beat the Ps3 in North America. Oh shit, that didn't take any imagination to call them influencial.

"let's be honest here, it's Sony's mistakes that really even allow MS the opportunity to damage them to begin with. It doesn't matter how much MS bites at Sony's ankles, it's still a two horse race and those two horses are the ones that decide how this ends"

Yean, Lets be honest. Its been a three horse race since last generation. xbox ps2 and gamecube. All 3 have seen next releases all 3 will do okay this generation. The market is large enough to support all 3. It doesn't matter that 360 is selling well in NA. Just ankle biting. I think it might get infected, you might wanna take a look at the ankle.

"Until MS finds a way to not be outsold by a more expensive machine they just aren't a big enough force here. Really, if you've got to undercut the competitor by 30%, spend millions on exclussives, and put out several AAA titles to the competiton's 0 and you still can't beat them by more than a small margin you've got troubles."

Well.. 10.51M sold 360, 4.32M sold Ps3. Clearly MS has troubles. (thats sarcasim)

"I look at it I just can't see MS as being anything but a side factor in the grand scheme and a minor influence in the eventual winner."

See Above stats.

"LtoK - So? Nothing else in the country sells, what's your point? The 360 has one, and only one, game worth buying in the minds of Japanese gamers."

Im sure you speak for the minds of all Japanese gamers. (sarcasim) I believe the 360s issues go beyond games into culture influences etc.

"Two, you're still working off of baseless assumptions. BD has a 45% attach rate, that's nice. Would it achieve that attach rate on any other system?"

Okay lets see, when the rest of the worlds sales numbers come in. At least the game will be turning a profit while also promoting 360 (to a degree) in Japan. Sounds like a win.