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kn said:

"You ignore the data of third party sales on Wii. This year: 8 million 3rd party titles in 8 months, 13 million on 360 in 8 months. Considering the smaller install base up until last week and the fact that this thread isn't about quality the elements of your argument is proven irrelavant, fictional, unrealistic and biased."

 

@ Steven -- I won't keep the quote thing going. I realize it is a sales-related title. But I kind of took it another direction. Apology if it seems I'm hijacking but I think the 3rd party showing so far in terms of sales -- look at Madden 08 for instance -- has a direct correlation to their quality. I'm speaking directly in terms of 3rd party support by releasing a significant quantity of QUALITY 3rd party titles. Maybe I read more into the OP than intended but there is more to it than just pure numbers. The OP is talking about third part support and the longevity of the Wii. I define support as more than just turning out software -- it's about turning out quality software.


 Sorry for being a jerk.  And you are right to talk about what ever you like in term of the OP's intention of getting our predictions.  I still haven't even gotten into that yet.  I was just laying the ground work of where we are before all of get too deep into our predictions.  There is a large misconception that Nintendo prevent 3rd parties from succeeding, to an extent that is true.  Comparing the attach rate on other major consoles in the life cycle at this point to it in the Wii's life cycle, you will find that Nintendo software is selling really well on top of healthy 3rd party sales.  Everyone started quoteing my data, and challenging it.  I was only stating the data in the first post and I got defensive.

My opinions: Yes, most of 3rd party stuff is complete crap so far.  The immediate future doesn't look to good either for the hardcore gamer.  But it is early in the life cycle, and people buy crappy games the first 12 months on every console.  (Perfect Dark Zero is a million seller for god's sake, I like it but I know I have bad taste.  Many of 360's million sellers are the cookie cutter Clancy games.)  The Hardcore (me included) partly hold innovation back, they hate most new things, and buy the same Nintendo, Clancy, and Standard FPS's over and over.

The 3rd parties were mostly caught off guard by Wii.  By March '08, IMO, we will see so many major 3rd party games announced that it will be a complete turn around by holiday '08.  If not, and I am wrong, then the Wii will become a solid casual machine for the next 2 to 4 years;  I don't see it disappearing, the current/projected install base is just too large. 20 million has proven more than enough in the past to support 3rd party publishers. 



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.