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theshoe23 on 24 August 2007
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steven787 said:
kn said:
Spectrumglr said:
ok, Wii is selling like hot cakes (probably even at a higher rate than VGChartz's reports as NPD July sales figures were 18% higer than VGChartz) and clearly by the end of the year it will be the N°1 next-gen system by a great margin...but still there's a lack of support by 3rd party devs and not without a reason as 3rd party games are selling poorly (compared to the user base). Could this be an issue for the HW sales in 2008? How long can continue a success that's only based on 1st party games?

Plain and simple, yes. If third parties keep using the wii for quick ports in a hope to cash in on the Wii "fad", they will kill the system in the long run. There is already a lot of shovelware on in and a significant amount of announced shovelware. (see outrun thread, lol). Nintendo does have the right to refuse to publish a game and they need to see to it that they exercise that right.

As a side note, the intense battle between the 360 and PS3 is making both 1st and 3rd parties bring their AAA+ game. Both companies are working diligently with developers to coax the most out of the system. The best part about this is that it means we are seeing titles that are absolutely stunning. See Bioshock, Halo 3, Warhawk, UT3, Killzone 2, GT5, and so on if you need proof of that statement. No such driving force really exists on the Wii and games are therefore lacking so far. Hopefully SMG, SSBB, and MP3 all set a graphical "floor" which future development should seek to not go below. We'll see if Nintendo steps up and slaps the shovelware makers...


Again: If you take out all first party sales for 2007 (In US and Japan, cant get software numbers for 07 off VGchartz) you will find that third party software has accounted for 8 million on Wii, and 13 million on 360, and the Wii only caught up to 360 hardware this week.

(1st bold) 4 of the six titles you mentioned are first party.

(2nd bold) You still don't get it, mainstream consumers just don't care that much about graphics; they are playing Nintendogs, training games, Wii play, Wii Sports, party games, games with more classic=arcade like controls, music games, nostalgic games, or sports games. Look how many of those games fall into those categories. Look at the two top 50's for software for 07 so far (NA and JPN). JPN is all Wii or DS, and some PS2. 50% of software in NA is from the graphically inferior Nintendo Consoles.

(3rd bold) Shovelware is made because people buy it (early in a generation), it sucks but it's true. PS1 and 2 had plenty of shovel ware (especially in year one), NES, SNES, GB, GBA, DS and Genesis all had shovelware. 360 and PS3 don't have much shovel ware because it is so expensive to develop for, but you still see some (Movie games, sports games, Sony rushing out first party titles, Bomberman Act:Zero, etc.)

 


 I didn't want to say anything, but if the mainstream consumer doesn't (and hasn't) cared that much about graphics than the SNES never would have sold a single unit.   This "graphics don't matter" crap has to stop. Hell, people would have been happy with their Ataris, we'd still be playing them all the time and new games would be developed for it all the time.  Mainstream consumers DO care about graphics, in the case of the DS's small screen, the N64 level graphics are fine.  For a 32" or greater tv? Not so much.