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[vlad321]

marciosmg said:

vlad321 said:
I like the people that can just sit here and start blaming mothers and irresponsible girls and how they shouldn't go around having sex. I hate to break it to you, but this isn't a perfect world, very far from it. Adolescents will continue to have sex no matter what others say or do, and that will be that, condemning them for it will not help the situation in any way shape or form. I wish we lived in a perfect world where everything is in order and everyone follows our current set of morals and we can all hold hands and sing kumbayah, but it's not and we're the ones who have to adapt to it instead of trying to force the world to adapt to us.

Speaking of morals, they are extremely subjective. What your morals are may be completely different, and at odds, with someone else's. Are your morals better than theirs? Absolutely not. Are theirs better than yours? Absolutely not. Even the simple existence of the word immoral offends me. It's just a phrase of used to try to belittle other's opinions. If you want an example, by the Aztec's morals, sacrafice was perfectly acceptable, even honorable. In their religion you were guaranteed to go to hell unless you died in a few very special ways, sacrafice being one of them. By today's standards that's barbaric. Who's right? Neither one is, they are both right.

With today's morals, we have basically put a stop to natural selection, and as arsenicazure has pointed out we are facing a severe overcrowding problem on this planet. Even if I agree with murder being condemned and the other most basic of morals, I will also admit that they may ultimately lead humanity to huge problems down the road. In the grand scheme of things way may be condemning to humanity to near extinction, but who gives a damn as long as we have order right now?

All that said, I wish people would stop using their morals as an excuse to go and meddle with people's lives. It's just as bad as using god and religion. Moral is a sophisticated way of saying opinion, and nothing more, so please stop using that as a valid argument.

 

1) There are morals that are better than others. Not all, but some. If some tribe (like one in the Amazon Forest) believes that the parents have the right to starve to death their babies who were born with birth defects (I am talking about small things, like one more finger in their hand, for example), you don´t say: "oh, morals are subjective". You go save that kids life even if they object.

2) If the world is reaching overpopulation, why don't you kill yourself? I am not saying that you should do that, but it is easy for you to think that other people get to die or not be born so the world is fine, cause that doens't afect you directly.

PS - It is ironic, but telling other people that they shouldn't tell others how to do things, is telling others how to do (or not do) things.

So, even you believes some morality - subjective morality.  But it is still morality and you want everyone to think like you.

And there is nothing wrong with that (I disagree about subjective morality, but I have no problem with you trying to get me to see things your way).

 

That's exactly what I'm saying, because you were raised with those morals you think you are superior to their morals and you just go in and save the child. I'd go do the same thing but that doesn't mean I have the right to go and interfere with what they believe in. Also, following natural selection "laws," which is the argument I actually used so let's stick with that, there is absolutely no reason for me to go kill myself, it would also affect me directly so please stop assuming you know anything about me, your arguments would be more valid then.

You can find it ironic as much as you like, that doesn't change the fact that morals are subjective and based solely on one's childhood and the way they were raised/taught by their parents.