Comrade Tovya said:
mesoteto said:
radha said:
Comrade Tovya said:
radha said:
tuoyo said:
radha said:
well there most wii fans that wont admit it, but there are to many good games on HD consoles to think that someone with only a wii is a hardcore gamer, how can someone not have games like gear1/2, assassin's creed, metal gear, gran turismo,final fantasy 13, etc and call himself hardcore (most hardcore last gen did ok without zelda and mario)???
when i ask people that own a wii why they have one they say "is fun to play bowling when people come by", that is not a hardcore gamer expression (this is not a bad thing), anyway, i do believe that wii is in a different market, the thing is sony and MS have found out there is a lot of money in the market nintendo have created(or discovered) and they want some of it, but that market is so different that when a hardcore gamer sees elements of like the ones on the wii in a hd console they complain, lots of people have complained about the new casual friendly xbox interface, and many hardcore didn't like LBP because it looked casual. The thing is hardcore gamers are rejecting things that are considered casual this may put the company in a position where they have to decide, if go the nintendo way or not.
At the end if you have a ps3 or 360 you may buy a wii (or the other way around) but i you have one hd console the probabilities of you getting another hd console is very low, that to me proof that ps3 and 360 satisfy different markets than the wii does, we can call that market what ever we want, casual , half hardcore, hybrid but not hardcore (i believe a hardcore gamer wants immersion even if he plays 15 minutes, a casual games is happy just by been entertained even if that means playing 4 hours i a row). |
Did you accidently post in the wrong thread? I ask because your post has no connection with the topic being discussed (and not because you have stated your opinion on what a hard core gamer wants as fact which I will leave for another day as it is completely off topic).
Ah I think I see the connection now. You are saying because the PS360 satisfy a different market from the Wii anytime we talk about the 360 winning it is implied it means winning over the Wii because the Wii does not satisfy hardcore gamers. Correct? Well I guess that works. It's the same way I was stuck in a cage with an 800lb lion I decided to ignore it and as a result came out the winner. The person who went into the cage after me did not ignore the lion and so was eaten up alive.
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yes that's what i was trying to say, but your illustration is not accurate, i see it more like a Ferrari vs a Rolls Royce they are cars but but the market is different, why would ferrari be concern about the sports vehicle market if Rolls Royce makes a limousine?
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I agree with this logic, but in a different way. The PS3 is the luxury Rolls Royce and the Wii is the economical Honda Civic. Rolls Royce knows that by making an expensive luxury vehicle, they are limiting the market they can sell it in... and Honda goes after the masses with an affordable hatchback.
But really, this war transcends price alone. The PS3 & XBOX are largely upgrades over their own previous consoles and not much more. The Wii phenomenon is based on the fact it is unlike any system ever created... and they do it cheaper.
And don't discount marketing as a crucial factor in this war as well. Nintendo's marketing in this war has been absolutely flawless and amazing. From the kiosks in the mall demonstrating their console hands-on, to the Wii "shortage" that gave the "better get one now before their gone" mentality, to the commercials showing "grandpa" having fun with video games... and of course Nintendo's reputation for clean & safe gaming.
It was a brilliant strategy (hence the reason Microsoft has now started to mimick Nintendo). Even if you hate the Wii, you'd be a fool not to recognize Nintendo's brilliance in this console generation.
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i don't know why people think i said something bad about the wii, think is a great product, a great console.
My point is that is targeted to a different demographics, people that are happy by just been entertained like i said, some people back in the old days wanted to find every trick, see a game and be taken away by it, their focus was on the game, someone into the game may not answer when you talk to him if he is immersed, a core gamer stands up feeling the same as the character he is controlling, fear, anger, surprise, etc , when he turns off the console he is planning how to overcome the challenge he left pending, his skills improve over time. Didn't you play mgs1, GoW1, Final Fantasy 7, xeno gears, Ico , Shadow of the colossus, tekken, Ocarina of time, half life, Grand theft auto 3, demon's crest, street fighter, castlevania, jakal, wizard and warriors, Bionic commando, crystalis, wizardry, eye of the beholder, golden axe, ninja gaiden, shinobi and other games from pass gen?? They had a different feel from wii play, wii sport, wii music, wii fit and the other new nintendo game of this days
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what you fail to graps is that nin snt holding back anything from teh hardcore crowd
if you look at the line ups you will see thatteh wii is producing just as many first party "core" title as they ever have, in fact there is a ton in dev as we speak
what you are getting in addition is tons of thrid rparty more "casual" games
so when you sit there and type that they are walking away from teh core crowd you are just plain inorrect
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Really it just depends on what the definition of "hardcore" is. If hardcore means, play your console/game everyday, many hours a day, then I would definitely say that any console of any generation can fall into that category. Heck, my 7 year old still plays his PS2 & Gamecube more than his X360. I still consider him "hardcore".
For me, my personal definition of hardcore when it comes to me is the type of game being released. I consider the blood & guts, killer games "hardcore". It's hardcore to "hear" your enemy moan when you kill him, and see his blood splatter realistically. Therefore, for myself, it's the audio/visual experience.
Wii lacks the blood & guts thing I suppose. That's why I don't like shooters on it.
But then again, there's nothing like a 12-pack of Corona and Wii Bowling for me either. It doesn't get much more fun than that. Plus the Wii is tons of fun when you have friends over.
For me, the X360 & PS3 is fun to play with my friends when they are across town or across the country, and the Wii can't be beat when your friends are at your house. Each console has its own social appeal... two virtually and the other in person.
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