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WessleWoggle said:

Gnizmo said:

 

So you're saying that ALL homosexuality or bi-sexuality is genetic/predetermined? Do you have any idea how absurd that sounds? So, is wanting to band fat chicks hard-wired too? What about cougars? How about people with all sorts of crazy fetishes? Is the S&M couple down the street into that because of predetermined circumstances? After all, these also are sexual preferences and lifestyles. By your explanation, all of these are hard-wired into people, as opposed to a choice or natural free-will preference.

 Wow, it has been a long time since I have seen anyone so desperately construct a straw man arguement. I am saying flat out sexual orientation is hard-wired yes. Fetishes are not hard wired though. Sexual orientation is not a fetish. Everything you described is a fetish and entirely seperate from the concept of sexual orientation.

I hate it when people say things are strawman, All I think of a person is that they're a douchebag when they announce an argument is a strawman.

I don't think it's a strawman. I think bardicverse is right. I was straight, but I just expanded my view of sexuality and try to take people on an individual basis. This was a choice, the choice was to let go my cultural bias against homosexuality.

This is amusing. I agree with Wessle Woggle, but for entirely different reasons. I don't believe homosexuality is 'natural' or 'right' and with that, I don't believe there are really that many cases where people don't have a choice on the matter. I don't believe that  warrants attacking the person in question in any manner, provided they aren't accosting straight people, I just don't agree that those preferences should be considered as being acceptable.
Basically, like smoking; It's up to you if you want to do it, it's none of my business, just please don't do it around me, or my children, or try to convince me or my children that it's the cool thing to do, but I'm not going to beat you up just cause I see you lighting up.

I boil it down to a very simple look at the idea as a whole: If everyone in the world were straight, the world would keep right on running with no issues. If every person in the world were gay the human race would die out in 100 years. If you have two choices, and one choice can function alone, and the other choice cannot function without at least some inclusion of the first choice, then there's a problem with that other choice.

Thing is, as far as loving a guy vs loving a girl, I've got no issues with either one, but just cause love is there doesn't mean you need SEX to be involved in that. An incredibly deep relationship between two men that doesn't involve sex and stuff is not just totally acceptable in my eyes, but admirable. The need to include sex in that strikes me as much the same as recreating the mona lisa with a dick in her mouth. Actually, in many ways I feel that trumpeting the gay agenda has actually had a backlash on this, as straight guys are too worried about coming across as gay if they form an emotional connection with another guy.

Furthermore, I can't understand the interest. I have a cock, I know how it works, why would I be interested in some other guy's cock? Women though, that I knew nothing about until I actually got experience on the subject, even then I don't fully understand it, and am still learning even to this day.

But other than those issues, I don't really view women and men as being that different, in terms of potential. There's a tendency for guys to act a certain way and women to act in a different way, but that's hardly the case for all men and women. The people who go; "I'm into men because women are backstabbing bitches" or "i'm into women because all men are pigs" just come across as being stupid about the relationships they get into and all too willing to just give up on the entire gender simply because of a few bad runs, and that's essentially gender bigotry there.

Heck, if it weren't for all that, I could even possibly be bisexual myself, but there's nothing to pique my curiosity, no reason why I feel that a relationship with a guy would require it in any way, by my basic reasoning it's really not "perfectly natural" and my perfect partner ended up being a woman anyway. If my fiance were a guy, I would probably still have just as deep of a connection with "him" but I just wouldn't see the need for sex to be part of that. Heck, sex isn't a requirement for our relationship as it is, it's just an activity I enjoy with her due to the fact that it is perfectly natural.