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Inigo13 on 18 November 2008
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mrstickball said:
famousringo said:

 

A straw man? Really? Nobody has even mentioned Dead Rising or Saints Row, much less accused them of failure.

My argument was that SR and DR were both 80%+ games that were generally well-recieved by the public, just like NMH and Zack & Wiki were.

Here's a bunch of 80%+ games on the 360 that didn't sell a million. Most are less than half a million.

Skate
NHL 09
GRID
Blue Dragon
Pure
Any NHL game

Any NBA game
Civilizatiom Revolution
F.E.A.R.
Tales of Vesperia

I cherrypicked 360 games just as you cherrypicked Wii games.

 

 

  • Much lower sales for major multi-platform games, despite having good tier ratios & a massive install base
  • 50% of Top-10 games being first party - First 3rd party game on the Top-10 at #4 (removing Wii Sports) - Mind you, I pulled Weekly data for November 8th data for both this and the next statement.
  • Of it's top 50 games, 12 are 1st party, and 11 are 3rd party games entirely based off of 'mini-games' and don't include other casual-esque games, or shovelware.
  • Few multi-platform games to outsell X360/PS3 versions, again, despite the massive lead in both software sales and in install base.


1) Much lower sales of some multi-platform games. However Guitar Hero Series, Lego Series, Tiger Woods Series, Sega multiplatform games all sell higher on the Wii. You're also discounting Madden 09 when the sales are so far over 50% higher than Madden 08.

2) Any of the three consoles would have this "problem" if they had Nintendo's firsty games added to their collection. Add WiiPlay, WiiSports, WiiFit, Mario Kart, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Mario Party 9 to the XBox360's game catalogue as first party Microsoft games, and all of sudden Microsoft top ten is almost exclusive firsty party. Nobody sells games like Nintendo as a developer. That's only a problem if third party's aren't making money.

Your points 2 and 4 are the same as 1 and 3, just reworded.

All people are saying is wait a few weeks. There are numerous examples of Wii games starting very slowly then picking up the pace. It's the effect of the "casual" Wii market that you are trying so hard to show doesn't buy core games.

Give it until December at least. We don't even have any numbers yet.