Kulle said:
TWRoO said:
Kulle said:
johnsobas said:
Kulle said:
Well as far as I know, this site counts retail -> customer. I prefer that over shipped figures. If those figures are not complete, Wii is not the only platform which has that problem. Still my numbers give you a pretty good picture about third party sales on all platforms.
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He's right though the first party numbers are far more complete than the 3rd party ones. Shipped is the number that is important to the companies making the games. It's better to have a solid number from a financial statement even if it is shipped over an incomplete and estimated number from our site.
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Well I don't think so, retailers might be a bit hesitant to buy more games if the old ones just sit on the shelves. I'll stand by my numbers. :)
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@bolded.... It is more advanced a problem for the Wii because all of Nintendo's 1st party games are tracked well on this site, only 4 of those 35 games don't have figures, and 2 are unreleased games.... leaving 31 with sales and 2 without. And nearly all of those with sales are well up to date (couple of exceptions like Battalion Wars II has no Europe sales for instance)
Sony and MS have in fact released more 1st party games for their respective consoles than Nintendo has, yet on here there are only 25 MS games with sales data and 29 for Sony (and more are incomplete compared to Nintendo)
(I am unsure but I think Nintendo has released about 35 games for Wii, MS about 3-4 more for X360, and Sony has released about 45 for PS3)
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If you want to talk sales rather than shimpents though, try the NPD charts released which show that the Wii 3rd party figures are well in excess of XB and PS3 at the Wiis age (obviously being a year older X360 still has a higher number of 3rd party titles sold overall in USA, but it won't be too long before Wii sales pass that too)
There you go ... and this is the USA where the X360 does best.
Yes the 3rd party attach ratio is smaller (Wii at the end of that graph should have about 13-13.5mil userbase compared to 7mil for X360) but you are wanting hard numbers right? well hard numbers give the Wii the advantage in all three territories.
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Well so what if the nintendo games are tracked well? I thought that the problem was with the tracking of some 3rd party titles.
Yes, that chart is indeed for the first 23 months from each platforms launch. Wii is ahead, barely. That is one way to spin numbers. :) Raw numbers are still about 125 million for 360 and 63 million for wii WW. You could also spin them few other ways. For example, you could count how much third parties have sold after the wii launch. 360 wins that by a mile. Or how about how much third parties have sold after wii passed 10 million install base in US? :)
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@Bold. No, they are not. I just provided the raw numbers above by multiplying the attach ratio numbers by the install base.
You want raw numbers with factual basis, there you go. Stop trying to marginalize them.
We could also use the figures from Nintendo's financial report. 230 million total. Using the same 1st to 3rd party ratio as used in the origin al article would yield a total of 130 million in 3rd party sales. Even more than the 110 million given in my intital calculation.
But go ahead and try and persuade us the Wii only has 63 million in 3rd party sales. We know the truth.
