PoliCHARTZ - Thread of U.S. Politics & the Presidential Election

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Kasz216 said:

Final-Fan said:

Kasz216 said:

Final-Fan said:

Kasz216 said:

Final-Fan said:
But the argument that there is a public danger doesn't hold up to the (apparent) fact that illegal immigrants are LESS criminally-inclined than the general population [edit:  other than in the area of immigration obviously].  Why should homicide or vice or gang-oriented law enforcement spend special effort going after illegals in particular if they are LESS likely to be doing those crimes?

And to continue the L&O references, we constantly see the detectives there turning a blind eye to "minor" crimes like prostitution and drug possession in order to facilitate cooperation.  Total zero tolerance crackdown from all corners of law enforcement on all crime may well be counterproductive even discounting the additional strain placed on the courts/jails.

If the system failed here it was because they didn't put a stop to this guy's drunken dangerous behavior -- just like dozens of other similar cases I have heard of who weren't illegal immigrants -- before it ended in a fatality.  Not because they didn't deport every Mexican they could lay hands on.

Somone who was arrested 4 times for drunk driving is less criminally inclined then normal people without DUIs?  That's your argument?

They do what they can to stop people with DUIs within the framework of the law.  With illegal immigrants they can do more and they didn't.

At this point you need to reread my post because it looks an awful lot like you're deliberately misconstruing my point.  It's based on what Geraldo said about relative crime rates in the immigration population vs. general population.

Also, do you think I'm wrong about what I said earlier?  And I haven't researched the specific incident but apparently from what they said he hadn't been deported because they don't investigate [the immigrant status of] people who aren't accused of felonies or misdemeanors involving moral turpitude.  Geraldo is claiming no one broke the law by not deporting him and I hear he's a lawyer (not that that is conclusive).

That point is completly irrelvent in regards to this person... since he was someone with a past that showed he was at risk.  Broadening out the issue so you don't have to deal with the singular case is nothing but a defense against a weak arguement.

Also as for not investigating the immigration status of people who aren't accused of felonies or misderminiers... how is that even possible? 

The person has to be processed.  To process someone you need to have their ID... and look up there records.

This makes simple ignorance an impossibility... he would be flagged illegal as soon as he was identified.

All Geraldo is doing is deflection from the real issue.

Also drunk driving is a misdermeanor in California.

Besides which... did California ever pass the driviners liscenses for illegal immigrants legislation?  If not, that itself is a misdemeanor.

So he committed at least one DUI and then wasn't deported under the IIRAIRA like he was supposed to.

Oh, because illegal immigrants never have fake ID. 

California has nothing to do with it, since this happened in Virginia. 

Whatever should have been done with this one individual, is a different argument than accusing the city of being a "sanctuary city" and letting illegal immigrants run rampant and whatever O'Reilly was saying in the previous show.  This one guy not staying in jail or being deported is not that different from all the other drunk drivers that fall through the cracks of the justice system all over the country.  Geraldo was accusing O'Reilly of using the one incident to paint a broad untrue picture, and that accusation is what I am defending.  Don't broaden out the issue.

If he had a fake ID that in of itself would be a crime.

Also the crimes wouldn't be in his record... which they are.  Which means he had to be identified correctly at some point.

Drunk Driving a misdemeanor in VA too.  Under the law in some states shoplifters have to be deported.

How is focusing on the one guy broadening out the issue?  It's narrowing it to that one guy that's the point.  There are people like him that are a danger that should of been deported.  Though... anyone here illegally technically should be deported... what being here illegally.

Like I edited the previous post:  the IIRAIRA provides for training and authorization of local/state law enforcement to pursue immigration crimes they encounter in the course of their duties.  What reason do you have to believe that anyone was negligent in this case?  Was there such an authorized person involved in this case who failed in his duty?  Should there have been such a person? 

Geraldo said in response to O'Reilly asking why he wasn't deported, "because he didn't commit a felony or a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude".  In what way is this answer insufficient? 

And you are saying that Geraldo was wrong to accuse O'Reilly of falsely accusing this mayor and town of letting immigrants run out of control and commit crimes all over the place, correct?  O'Reilly [edit:  saw the earlier portion of the show and he's just rampant fearmongering.  He goes WAY beyond this one incident and talks about the situation in general terms using the specific case only to pull on heartstrings].  So the issue is actually a general one.  If you're not broadening the issue, you're changing the subject.