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Well i think the OP included those because that was the main discussion a year ago with CoD4. Im not sure what happened a year ago, but from what ive read people were wondering if the Wii could ever make anything within reach of CoD4. Now obviously that wont happen, but if you look at this from a technical standpoint, some of the graphical effects previously thought impossible on Wii are becomeing a reality (in one way or another). HVS is showing that the Wii can make a decent attempt hi-def graphical effects. In wont be able to tie it all together to create something as the PS360, but each HD graphic technique on its own achieved on Wii is very impressive.