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MrMarc said:
MrMarc said:
Shame it'll probably be absolutely no good as an OS for gamers. DX10 is a joke, Vista murders game performance even on exceptional machines.

I really like the look of Windows 7 as well, but if it has the same underlying technology as Vista, I probably won't touch it with a bargepole...

And we have yet another shining example of "I didn't read the thread but let me open my mouth anyway."

 

And a good example of 'lets make a bullish assumption of a user just so I can get a flame out on their ass and feed my ego'.

I did read the thread, and you'd do well to re-read it and double check on yourself. Again I'll say, DX10 is a joke, and DX11 is going to have alot to show for itself that it isn't just going to be another forcing of (inevitably pointless) hardware upgrading for users. As for my comment on the underlying technology essentially being the same as Vista, I'm referring to the WinMin technology which was supposedly at one point going to be the basis for the new Windows OS. It looks like that has gone out of the window for the time being, nothing more has been said on that for a long time now.

My bitterness is coming from the fact I recently upgraded my machine to 4GB of Ram, and a 9800GT and guess what, games are still running worse in Vista with the highest ammount of memory you can get (for 32 bit) and DX10 hardware, than in XP under DX9 with considerably less memory.

Like I said - there's certainly a good chance Windows 7 will prove the same for PC gamers - Worthless.

No it's a prefectly good assumption.  You seem bitter about Windows in every thread I've seen you in.  I doubt you read anything in the above articles about Windows 7 running on 1 Gb of RAM vs 2 or its handling of unused windows yet there you are treating exactly the same as Vista.  At least try reading the material before talking about it.

Now, do you really think Direct X is a joke or just DX10?  Read this from start to finish.  OpenGL isn't neck and neck with directx anymore.  It's behind, it doesn't look like it's catching up, and Direct X isn't slowing down.  If you think Direct X is a joke then I'd be interested in what you think of OpenGL which is getting beaten in functionality more and more as time passes.

As for WinMin, that was never stated to be the kernel for Windows 7.  That was a tech demo Microsoft was showing off to show that they can run Windows tasks on a much leaner kernel.  However it's likely a good thing that isn't the kernel.  Vista suffered from a lot of problems with compatibility and support that Windows 7 won't.  Here's a quote:

We're very clear that drivers and software that work on Windows Vista are going to work really well on Windows 7; in fact, they'll work the same. We're going to not introduce additional compatibilities, particularly in the driver model. Windows Vista was about improving those things. We are going to build on the success and the strength of the Windows Server 2008 kernel, and that has all of this work that you've been talking about. The key there is that the kernel in Windows Server 08 is an evolution of the kernel in Windows Vista, and then Windows 7 will be a further evolution of that kernel as well.

So, memory management, networking, process management, all of the security hardening, all of those things will carry forth, and maintain the compatibility with applications that people expect. Finally, we are going to make sure that the release is available both in 32 bit and 64 bit, which is an additional help for maintaining compatibility, particularly with device drivers. As the 64-bit ecosystem catches up, we expect more and more people, particularly enthusiasts, to be running 64 bit. For many people that's a great scenario today. I know I run 64 bit on most of my machines, including my primary laptop.

The goal is to prevent that problem while improving what they've already built.  Is it what you were hoping for?  Maybe not, but it's probably better than the alternative of having another Vista-like launch where things don't work nearly as well as they should.

As far as what Windows 7 means to PC gamers, go back to the first page of this thread and actually read those articles posted by Jagged.  You might enjoy them.