OK you PC guys, I just don't get why mouse/keyboard FPS is such a big deal.

[vlad321]

Grey Acumen said:

Onyxmeth said:

vlad321 said:

Onyxmeth said:

 

 

 

 

Nono, don't do that, Onyxmeth, you're arguing against the keyboard. Somehow they'll manage to bring the mouse back into the issue to show how moving isn't that important, even though you brought up no issue with using the mouse for aiming.

 

Oh yeah, and hotkeys, cause when I go out out to play paintball, i should be able to sort through my 15 dozen types of paintball guns with a snap of my fingers to instantly bring up the one i want. Nevermind that the same thing could be accomplished through careful use of the dpad like "down,down = rifle, down,up = shotgun, left,down=bazooka, etc"

vlad321 said:

Wait, what's this? vlad actually didn't automatically bring mouse or hotkeys into the picture? Seriously, I'm not even joking about this vlad. Kudos to you.

I still feel you're wrong though. Whether those problems could be fixed with more work, it doesn't change the fact that putting in that work can only, at best, put wasd keys up on PAR with an analog stick. your analogy for manual vs stick also falls flat on this issue, there are things that manual lets you control that automatic does for you, and thus takes control away from you. There is nothing that wasd can do that analog or Dpad can't also do, and dpad lets you NATURALLY control the intensity.

 

Keep in mind here, before disagreeing with me. I'm not arguing for or against PC games or controls vs dual analog, especially not for FPS. I don't like either. With dual analog I hate aiming, on the PC i hate moving. That's personally why I like Wiimote+nunchuck so much. I don't care that your aiming is directly related to how good you ACTUALLY can aim, I actually AM a good aim. I don't mind using the mouse to aim though, provided I'm not stuck with keyboard for moving.

 

How hard is it to understand that the mouse is part of the movement? That's why it keeps being brought up. Removing the mouse automatically leaves you with 4 directoins to move with and that'd be like using the D-pad on the controllers and no aiming stick at all. I don't see how it's on PAR with analog sticks when it's utterly pointless to be walking at any speed between the max and 0. I fully agree, there is nothing that the WASD can do better than the dpad or analog, but there is absolutely nothing that can match the WASD when you add a mouse to the combination. The bold statement is astoundingly at odds with itself. How do I lose control if I have more control than before?

As to your wii control scheme, yes I loved the MP3 scheme the best out of any console FPS control scheme, but here is a very good question for you, what happens when you remove the lock-on? The lock-on is even more of a crutch than auto-aim. Without it how do you look around? You have to move the cursor around the edge of the screen and thus not keeping the target ON the person as you follow them around. As for the movement, not once in playing MP3 and shooting things did I ever use anything in between forward, back, left, right to the max. You still fail to answer my persistent question, why would you want to move in a diagonal other than the 45 degree one or to move at less than max speed when you are getting shot at?

@greenmedic88

Didn't know that about the Porsche but it's always nice to know. The problem with Automatic isn't the speed of the shifting, it's the fact that it shifts for you, you don't choose when.