The state of consoles post-Moore's Law

[vlad321]

Grey Acumen said:

vlad321 said:

Grey Acumen said:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1351967

 

You read the points, but not the summary. All of the issues you point out are problems that the HD consoles are suffering from. I already pointed out that YES, they are in danger of the problem of being replaced by computers. That's why I pointed out that most of my issues are taken from what Nintendo has done with the Wii.

1) Shinier graphics do not make a game significantly better than the same game without shiny graphics. Newish Physics? Shadows? All of this is a moot point, because while the HD consoles might die out from this factor, the consoles that don't follow this methodology will not be affected. (as I've pointed out numerous times; Wii)

2) See, this is actually a bad point on your side. Either that or missing my point. The original issue was basically the idea that consoles will be pushed to the side. I'm raising a counter issue that they won't by citing points over which PCs will not overcome, not that they couldn't, just that they wont. In this case, HD consoles may now have instals, but that doesn't negate the point for those consoles that don't use instals (Wii)

3) Again you're missing the point. All keyboards allow you to do is have a BUNCH of buttons, and most games that use them allow you to customize your key layout. Why? because you need that level of customization for how much trouble they are. Most consoles don't have that level of customization because when the controls are set up properly, you don't NEED it. Seriously, analog stick will ALWAYS be better for moving from walk to run, etc. Seriously, think about it, what if you want to RUN forward while straffing slowly but SMOOTHLY to the side? A keyboard can't do that because one key is dedicated to making you run or walk, and then whatever movement keys you press after that are both affected the same way. just because a LOT of games are designed around Mouse+Keyboard doesn't make that control setup a good one, simply put, a lot of games are designed that way because they HAD to be in order to sell on the PC platform.

4) yeah, your blizzard point just totally misses whatever mark it was supposed to be hitting. Or maybe it hit it, but I can't tell because your mark is so far off from where it needed to be. It doesn't matter what PC games are available, it's not like we're arguing for the survival of the PC platform. Even if there were no games at all, PCs would still be bought. I'm arguing for the survival of the Console platform. As long as there are exclusive games that can only be played on a console(and as long as Nintendo exists, there will be), the console platform will survive. It doesn't matter what PC only games there are.

otherstuff) I'm not talking about innovative software. you can obviously have that whether it's on PC or console. I'm talking about innovative hardware, sorry for not being clear, as I said, I was distracted towards the end there. Again, my example is citing the Wii as a specific example. You never would have been capable of having that innovation become accepted as a standard if it had been released on a PC, and even if it is attempted in the next 10 years, it will not become a standard that can be taken advantage of by PC games for the reasons I already stated. Guitar Hero and DDR would have completely failed if they had attempted to release for just the PC.

Guessing you have been missing all the HD next gen Nintendo system talk out there with HD graphics and all. I doubt Nintendo won't do it, seems to be the only way for them to improve on the wii atm. That said, I'll keep this short:

1) assuming wii does go HD, and it's a pretty good assumption, the pattern of consoles becoming more like PCs will only continue.

2) Same as point 1). They are already lamenting the fact they didn't have a storage solution on the Wii and implementing one right now. Also with HD graphics next gen I don't see why it won't have installs and updates and all that still.

3)That only applies to games with platformer elements and that's it. For everything else it doesn't matter how precise you are and whether you are walking or running, well maybe sneaking games too, but it's funny that the beast seaking game is still on the PC, Thief 2.

4) Yes, Nintendo will be always making games but if everyone else starts making games for other platforms and no one other than Nintendo is making games for their system then it doesn't really matter. Nintendo alone would not be able to pull the entire console industry assuming everything else was dead or on another platform. While I agree that the Wii gets major points for innovation, the motion controls are used effecttively and uniquely only for the Wii games and other such party-like games, which many consider casual. I agree that you can't have party games on your computer, unless you do a lot of work on the set up first, so I guess that will always be a console only feature.