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I'm with you frybread, my friends and I probably wouldn't have bought a console this gen if it wasn't for the wii. We all lost interest in consoles during the 6th gen, even with the ps2s library, and switched to PC. I can also see what you mean on the part about old pros, noticed a lot of people who I interact with that are under 19 or are relatively new to gaming (5th gen+) generally lean towards the HD twins.