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[vlad321]

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

appolose said:

vlad321 said:

I switched the bolded parts to be me talking; pardon the possible confusion.

Same.

Again. <-This (Lateral expansion) x2

 

 

 

 

Yes indeed it could. But from what we see and know it was due science. If you read my post on the beliefs up above then you'll see that I'm willing to accept our existance is due to something creating us, I just dislike religion as it is and how it affects our world.

True, but while we may have derived it from science, that does not make it true.  That is the success argument again; we cannot use what we perceive as progress in knowledge as justifying science.  And while it may be true that we might have gotten nowhere if not for science, that could very well be untrue as well; there is simply no way to distinguish one from the other.

I understand you're not arguing against the possiblilty of a creator, though.

 

I fully agree with that, I just wish that is how the world worked since children who have been manipulated by the parents eventually grow up. Then the ideas of the parents are born anew and a cycle of destruction (may not be the right word) keeps on going. Humans just don't need this. Enough has happened for people to see what should and shouldn't be impressed on children.

I can understand that; it's just that the risk of not doing otherwise weighs heavily upon those who do teach such things.  And perhaps the world might have been better off without certain religions, and perhaps worse off without others.

 

Correctness is a word and I was just kidding with having them think like me. I'd much rather have them completely independent from me when they grow up (I only use smilys to signifying jokes).

Ergh, sorry, I knew you were joking; my comment wasn't very clear.

And I don't mean don't teach them anything, they obviously have to learn things, but as with the veggies and beliefs, there is a difference between learning math, science, a language (wherever they live), poetry, and such and teaching them about god and religion. One has the benefits that the child will live a decent life, while the other has yet to show any positive or negative feedback on life, or afterlife if it does exist.

Perhaps that would be a better position for you personally, but  other's may feel too strongly about their convictions to withhold them from their children.  But that, of course, may go with the other argument.

 

Very well, but all that does not mean that children should be preached to, if they find and choose god then they will find him when they are older as well. The whole thing just seems like parents are "cheating" their children's entrance to heaven. Let's teach them early before they can resist and they are sure to go to heaven if they stick with it. It just seems like a shortcut to what belief is meant to be, that is, something you reached the conclusion to by yourself, not based on other's beliefs. This goes with the paragraphh underneath. Is it really belief in god if the only reason you believe in him is becaause your parents taught you that way?

I would posit that a blind faith would still qualify as what is needed (Biblically speaking).  Much of what we are taught as children comes from such sources, and those things we still hold today, and we certainly believe in those.

 

 

Well then, we can ignore this sectino from now on since we're in agreement.

I concur

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quote tower!

 

I wonder if the mods are carefully looking at this to see whether we're flaming or not....

 

 

That'd be a lot to go through though... maybe they'll tell us to stop derailing the thread :).

 

Gonna save this for tomorrow cause I have to finish up studying for my Computer Architecture class. But I won't leave without a few quick notes here and there!

#appolose

No one sold the salesman, but he must have been created from somewhere. When a mommy and a daddy really really love each other....;)

@luinil

I don't know what the "logic" that leads to the fact that "The Christian God" is the only logical option, but I can tell you right now that your logic has some major fallacies in it, and I don't even have to know what it is. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and all other religions have as much claim to their gods as you do to your god so please stop sounding like an ignorant religious fool and open up your mind for a little while. You should try it out, you might just discover things you haven't before.

Also according to Calvinism, if I'm not mistaken, god's "elect" can be found because they would be living a good, prosperous, and wealthy life on Earth. Poverty is a sign that the person will go to hell. That's why Calvinists were so wealthy for a good amount after the Reformation. Problem here is that on average atheists have 10% higher income than religious folk. So by your standards the religious folk go burn in hell and the atheists go to heaven? That's where your so called logic has led us. Next time please think before you post.