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still hanging to the mid october.... but LGC and TGS can make the difference for any of the 3 actors.... wait and see 2 month to go and the road will be way clearer to make a guess.... and then the second big moment to make a guess on the long run will be january mid february... well we can make a guess before but it's where the trend until christmas 2008 will be fixed.. IMO ........if any of the consoles fails by then even blockbuster releases won't change the tendency to close an eventual big gap before the next holiday season....