ckmlb said: I have no problem with what he said but I have a problem with the usual BS from people on here about how violent games are automatically less creative and only selling cause of the violence in them. Edit: If you have a PC or a 360, go buy Bioshock or rent it later this month and play a game that is both very violent and one of the most creative games I've seen. You probably do have a gamecube or a Wii so go buy Killer 7 or the new No More Heroes and see how violence and creativity can go hand in hand. This whole idea about violence and sex selling products as some sort of bad side effect of consumerist society and the negative side of games is pretty silly when throughout time man has been driven by both subjects in all his endeavors. Most works of art and music have violence and/or sex as some if not all the inspiration. Cut out the puritanical nonsense about how games should be all clean and shiny, games should be of all kinds and flavors. Leaving violence out of games makes them even less serious because you are leaving out one of the key things that drives humanity. Same reason why there should be more sexual topics in games, because 'cleaning' them of this is pretty stupid when this is one of the most important topics in human life. Asking games, movies, or music for less violence and sex is equal to the people who persecuted artists and writers and thinkers of old because their topics were taboo. |
Exactly! I completely agree with almost everything you wrote here. A game having adult appeal has nothing to do with it's rating. A game rated E and a game rated M both have equal opportunities to show mature themes. Saying all E rated games are mature is stupid (go play Hannah Montana and come back and say that), but conversely, to claim all M rated games are mature (in the classical sense of the word, rather than the ESRB rating) is just as stupid.
Examples of Mature, and violent games:
Killer 7; had a lot of creativity and some mature political themes. It was not a game for kids, despite being gorey. Most teens would have gotten bored with it (or not understand it).
Bioshock; is another perfect example of a violent but mature game. It has dark themes of morality that are far above what the standard teenager looking for mindless killing will be able to tolerate.
Metroid Prime; this isn't a game for the simple minded. The puzzles and themes are again, far too complex for some teen looking for a simple violent shooter.
However, a game that has an E rating can appeal to adults too. For example: Wii Sports, Viva Pinata, and Mario. These are games that anyone can play, and that's what Miyamoto appreciates. He wants games that appeal to adults and children, not one or the other exclussively, and I believe in this respect he has been largely successful. If anyone really thinks Mario Galaxy is just a kids game, I pity them.