what do you think of the future of Nintendo?

[aavidbacon]

ookaze said:

aavidbacon said:
Nintendo ufortenately lost points with a lot of hardcores by lauching a system that wasn´t a great leap into the future, like most were expecting this gen, but on the other hand captured a market that the ps2 had and didn´t know. If you think about it the 120 mln owners weren´t all hardcore or even core, they have a good share of casual gamming in the ps2. This people were captured by the atractiveness of the wii remote. Not only them, but a lot of people that never thought of playing games too. the problem was that by doing this, they were branded as casual and a console for kids. This image is not what the wii designers wanted, they wanted the image to be "the substitute for ps2", a game for everybody, gamers and non-gamers. I read a interview by a Nintendo top (don´t ask were) and he said just that: That those who said wii was casual would be surprised.
That shows to me a little bitterness for not being able to capture all the market he was aiming for. The meaning is that the causal image that wii got was not intended. And the sad news is this image won´t fade easily, if it ever does.

So don´t be surprised if the wii get some serious games in the future, this is part of image changing marketing.

 

While most Wii fiends are in depression stage right now, you are still in denial.

The Wii was never and never will be a substitute to PS2 despite what you want to believe to soothe your bruised mind.

The Wii sure enough doesn't want to be associated with PS2 and clearly is not, it's on yet another level. The substitute for PS2 you're searching for is the PS3.

People are not attracted by the wiimote either, that doesn't make sense and is plain wrong. People are attracted by a set of characteristics that all together make the whole Wii experience. That's why some will only use the balance board and want a Wii too, even if they never touched the wiimote.

Also, Nintendo executives don't care about stupid people that love to call their console casuals. The only thing they'll do is make sure that it stays in the little circle of haters, or disrupt the haters circle (videogame mags for example).

Notice how now Nintendo firmly stays by its principles of not announcing their games far before they're out. Notice also, that everytime they announced their Wii games, it was months of bashing in the circle of Wii haters, or they didn't talk about their game at all if they couldn't bash them. So it was negative for Nintendo. Now, the haters complain that they don't know the games are coming, but it's actually a positive.

Hey I´m talking here about perception, how the public sees the product and that matters. The ps2 wasn´t the most powerful console of it´s gen, it was, if anything the weakest, so the ps3 is not it´s substitute. The ps2 was sold as the console that everybody could have at home, that evertone could have fun with and that´s the role wii is performing rigth now.

And what set of caracteristics are you saying atract people?

The ones I can think are: Nintendo franchises, user friendly gameplay(wii remote, as the wii fit came after that, so the first burst of wii sales weren´t for the wii fit, but for the wii alone), inovative games that uses the new gameplay and that also enhances the group playing. Ah and the price, but that´s not an issue anymore as it was in the first year. And that´s why, in my opinion wii will win this gen. The thing is, you gotta admit that it came as a suprise in the first six months when the the wii started to sell  bigger and bigger numbers. If you catch the news at that time you´ll see. But analising latter permits to see how intelligent it was dettaching itself from the traditional gamming and inventing a new form of playing. What I said is: this new form of playing was percepted by most hardcores( exception made by the ones in this site) as too easy or as for kids, and that made them overlook the wii as a serious plataform. 

The wii is a serious plataform, meaning, it can play games for adults?

the answer is YES!!! The Conduit is only the most recent example, there´re many others. But look at their sales, except for Metroid and Zelda(if you consider this adult and not universal) all others have weak sales for a console with 32 mln users. The Madden is another example, the user base in the US is 12mln, bigger than x360 and more than twice the ps3 numbers, but yet sold less than all of them and will not sell as much as did last itteration. Why? Because the demo that buys madden don´t usually buys a wii, is statistical, is perception. The reason why Nintendo wants to change that perception is that the market is even bigger if you get at the same time the casuals and the cores and hardcores. That´s business. While the guy from MS addimit deafeat and said that his figth is with sony, Ninty wants to continue figthing and get the market that sony and MS still have.