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4lc0h0l on 31 August 2008
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Redcoat222 said:
Yakuzaice said:
Redcoat222 said:
I have always objected to the mantra that there are some games better on PC than on consoles (which unfortunately has even appeared in this thread). It's simply about what you're used to playing with.

If you've mostly played FPSs on the PC then you're bound to prefer that. I've played them mostly on consoles and I find a mouse and keyboard cumbersome and unintuitive. Which isn't much of a surprise since they're not designed for gaming.

I've actually played RTSs more on the PC than on consoles and I would still maintain that there isn't any difference playing them on a console. It's an illusion.

However, despite the fact that I think console gaming is superior, the existence of PC gaming doesn't affect me at all, so why should I want it to die?

There is a pretty massive speed difference in FPS/RTS when comparing mouse/kb to gamepads.  Take UT3 on PS3 for example.  Even though the game is already slowed down (speed of the characters) compared to the PC version, people who use mice have a distinct advantage over those with the console controller.  For example a person playing with a mouse can turn around with a flick of the mouse, while the person with a gamepad will take ages in comparison.  That isn't even taking into account the higher accuracy and speed of aiming.

Same with RTS's, even one designed for consoles can't compare to the speed that hotkeys and a mouse offer PC players.

On the other side of the coin, some games control better with a gamepad.  If I bought DMC4 on PC, I would want to play it with my DS3, and not my m/kb.

I do wish I had been able to get that game (I didn't bother because I was temporarily unable to get my PS3 online). I'd have been able to finally test this out and see how I fared against people using the mouse and keyboard. I would expect to be able to beat roughly the same proportion that I can normally beat.

The point you make about the mouse being more accurate is interesting because it raises the contradiction in the arguments made by PC fanboys, for instance the poster above who claims PS3/360 are "dumbed down". If it's easier to play with a mouse then surely playing with analogue sticks is more hardcore.

I will concede that in RTS games the use of hotkeys on PC is better. However, they are rarely needed to complete a campaign so it's not a major difference.

 

have you ever played an rts online, i think you havent because you would get your ass kicked... hotkeys on RTS are needed you cant just play with the damn mouse its the combination of mouse and keyboard that unable good rts players to stand upon the best gamers for that game.. surely if you want we can play starcraft of warcraft 3 and i bet i beat you in less than 10 minutes... rts are just not meant to be played on consoles at least the kind of micro and macro games where you need to move two or three units out of an army or 40 units to get the best of an attack thats called micro and no joystick will ever ofer that, its imposible to do it on console

and one last thing you are not getting the idea of hardcore, joystick are not hardcore man just those two cant mix, maybe you got hardcore games on consoles,like unreal tournament or i dont know halo wathever you want to say its a hardcore game, but joystick are not better than mouse and keyboard, maybe for raicing games but thats why you have a whell =)