Madworld and House of the Dead: Overkill won't be released in Germany

[steven787]

noname2200 said:

steven787 said:

Resident_Hazard said:

 

Again, there are degrees of oppression. Democracy is the least oppressive by it's nature.

I've never heard of a socialist against income taxes, you might want to read a little bit more before posting any more arguing politics with me.

I can keep myself safe, thanks.

I understand that there needs to be metal detectors at the airport. What I don't understand is why what goes on in my own home, that hurts no one, is anybody's business but my own.

What do INCOME taxes have to do with national security? Why not tax what I spend or raise property taxes. Why should the government be paid for my work. That is oppression.

It's funny you mention Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot because all three were part of a shift within their nations to Nationalistic ideologies while using the rhetoric of national security.

I'm not saying that the U.S. or any other western nation is on the way to becoming a Dictatorship or Autocracy but if we don't pay attention and ask "Why does this make me more secure? How might it make me less secure?"

One strengths of modern western culture is that of individuality. As long as we balance the needs of the many with the needs of the few we'll be alright. When it starts sliding toward the needs of the many (extreme socialism, national security) or the needs of the few (lawlessness and anarchy) then you begin to see problems.

It seems we disagree on quite a bit of things regarding government and oppression. For instance, I don't find income taxes any more repressive than sales or property taxes (why should the government have the right to tax me simply for what I earn, or for what I purchase? Answer: they need to get money to operate). And you're off on the percentages required for some measures: you'll learn in Con Law that there are quite a few vague rights that can't be denied with a simple majority, but would require a constitutional amendment (i.e. 3/4 of the states, and good luck with that). Prohibition, for instance, had to be done via constitutional amendment.

But at this point we're nitpicking. What I mostly want to say is that we're getting a bit off-topic here. I'd be happy to continue this conversation tomorrow, but how about we start a separate off-topic thread to discuss it? Here, we're supposed to be for or against Germany's decisions, not discussing the philosophical issue of governmental repression.

 

Why income taxes are wrong, while other types aren't?  Because taxing income punishes those who work, instead of those who consume.

Con Law? I never mentioned any legal justification.  I'm talking about morality of government, not the legality.  People can write anything they want on a piece of paper; that doesn't mean it is right.

Governments controlling competent adults is the topic, though you are right that it is a little broad.

I really need to goto sleep though, so later.