Gosen Slams 'Gimmicky' Wii Fit

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Words Of Wisdom said:

Sqrl said:

I said "the vast majority of them probably only own one game" and I should be clear in saying I meant beyond what the console itself includes.  If you want to call this an assumption then I think we should also question the assumption that these people are prone to purchase fewer games as that is certainly a much larger assumption, yet apparently we need to disprove this rather than prove it.  It is interesting to note that the assumption that these newer gamers purchase fewer games actually strengthens the position that new hardware purchasers are less likely to have purchased more games yet, in effect the position itself strengthens the argument against it.

Nobody is debating that a point for point look at the distribution would be ideal, but as its not possible with our data we have to accept what we can look at.  What we can look at is attach ratio, and it can still give a very clear picture of the situation.

I'm really not sure if I should take this last argument too seriously.  The failure/replacement rate on the PS2 was fairly substantial by most accounts (I myself am on my 3rd PS2 and have a 320GB hard drive with all of my games loaded on it so I don't have to worry about it not reading discs) where the Wii is reportedly under 1%.  Systems like the 360 and the PS2 had common problems that are identified with their failures (RRoD and laser failures respectively), and to my knowledge the only problem the Wii has experienced was the Fan not turning on properly in WC24 mode which was alleviated by a patch. Of course there is also the point that even the folks who do have problems are more likely to get repairs due to the continued shortages. In short this is a relatively insignificant group of people...of which an unknown percentage of them might skew the numbers. I'm not seeing how this is really worth considering.

You do not understand.  The fact that there are people who have bought fewer games is indeed a fact.  As soon as you have one person with more games than the average games per console ratio, it means that there's someone out there with fewer.   In my first post about this subject, I said based on my own collection that I know there are at least 2 people out there with few games (as I have at least 3 times the average games/wii ratio).  None of this is assumption, it's mathetmatically provable fact.

I also don't care if you take that last argument seriously or not.  Last week one of my friends had his Wii die on him in the middle of playing SSBB.  No warning, no message, just dead.  The Wii failure rate is indeed a factor and will only continue to grow as such as time passes (more Wiis in the market + longer time = more failures).  It may never reach RRoD levels, but you can't simply ignore it either.

Nobody is debating that there are people who own fewer games than you or other people. In fact the very post you're replying to is making that point.  You've either missed the point of my post completely or you're simply trying to toy with me.

There are a number of reasons we don't need to consider the failure rate but for the sake of ending the argument,  if you can find solid data on the failure rates I see no reason not to add it. Honestly, if you can find solid data on the failure rates I'd be interested in seeing it for my own edification.

Now the conversation has gotten fuzzy, and I'm not sure exactly what point you're trying to make because you seem to have changed positions without notice when it suits you.  Given your admittance to doing such things already in this thread perhaps you should define the position you're trying to defend and what it is you object to in what I've said so we can clarify the situation going forward.