Nintendo lying about third party dominance?

[Viper1]

FightingGameGuy said:

Viper1 said:

FightingGameGuy said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:

scottie said:
There's only 1 way to make a fair comparison.

Wait about 10 years, until there are no 7th gen software sales

Anything put out before then is spin, accept it. Ninty published data for the first 19 months cos it showed them as winning, MS showed for the entire life of the console because that showed them as winning

 

 

Nintendo's graph wasn't spin.  It very clearly said exactly what it was: a comparison of the first 19 months of each system.

Microsoft's IS spin however, because it is saying that Nintendo is lying, and the evidence they supply has nothing to do with it.  Microsoft isn't discussing the first 19 months.  They're using their yearlong headstart and calling Nintendo liars.  Nintendo didn't lie.

And as usual, they're ignoring Japan.

Nintendo not spinning?  BS.

The graph Nintendo's VP pointed to first http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/nintendo-thirdparty-games-not-selling-on-wii-is-a-false-assumption/?biz=1, not the one used later by gamedaily itself as quoted by the source, absolutely is spin.

"We recently posted a story discussing the state of third-party software sales on Wii, which included a chart from Nintendo that inconveniently also lumped in first-party sales." (Quoted from the source's quote from Gamedaily -- sorry I don't know how to use multiple quotes on this site.)

Graphing 1st party + 3rd party sales while discussing 3rd party sales exclusively misleads the reader by throwing in superfluous, highly favorable information that is not relevant in any manner.

Nintendo might not have lied, but it did choose to display an irrelevant chart that portrays them as having a huge lead in place of the relevant chart where it has a much smaller lead.  Such behaviour defintely exudes questionable honesty, and certainly qualifies to be called spinning.

That's not spin.  That's an, "Oops, NPD sent us the wrong chart."    Notice later on the actual requested chart was presented and guess what....it coincided with exactly what Nintendo said to begin with.

Why is this so hard for you guys to understand?   It's really makeing some of you look logically challenged or intentionally disregarding fact for your own bias.

Gamedaily, never said anything about a mistake being made with the chart used, only that Nintendo will use another one at a later time.  If a mistake however, was made, I apologize and have been mistaken (though I'd say gamedaily had mislead me). 

However, if no mistake was made, then Nintendo made an argument with its only purpoted piece of evidence being a chart whose relevance was wholly ruined with irrelevant information (you can't even retrieve the relevant information from it alone).  In argumentation and logic, being right isn't enough (I'm not saying they don't have more 3rd party sales), you have to be right for the reasons you present, and having presented faulty evidence as its sole usable evidence in the case, Nintendo's attempt to set the "record straight" fails as an argument.  The whole press release in the case that there was no mistake, is spin because it never actually proves what it says, and makes it appear that Nintendo actually has a huge lead whereas whatever lead or loss it actually has is indecipherable from the information used in its argument.

It was a mistake.  Think about it.  Why would Nintendo ask NPD to provide a chart and then create a PR piece about it?   It happened the other way around.   Nintendo created an article first and asked NPD to provide the chart.....they received the wrong one.

 

This isn't even the first time Nintendo has used NPD charts to refute sales fallacies.   They did this same thing last year when people just assumed no software sold well on Wii.  Nintendo rebutted with some NPD provided data showing that they sold more software in the first X months than MS and Sony (this one included data regarding the PS2 as well).