Do you believe in god?

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Sri Lumpa said:

superchunk said:

1. Existence and life are too complex to be caused solely by a series of randomization and chances. Therefor I believe in a God.

2. If there is a God, it would not be constrained to anything. The ability to create everything must conclude that God is everything and is absolutely without limitations.
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"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in The God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." Q-002.062

Basically anyone who believes in God, the Day of Judgment, and is a good person will get rewarded by God. The implies that no specific path or organized religion is required. I still consider myself Muslim by definition. "One who submits to the will of God".
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Good post, and yeah it is unlikely to end well. I haven't read the other thread yet so sorry if you already answered that in there (and jsut say so as I will eventually read it):

1. Wouldn't this also apply to any deity? Wouldn't a deity able to create the universe be too complex to spontaneously arise?

2. Wrong, as demonstrated by the old case of "can god create a being more powerful than himself?" If he can't then he is not all powerful due to that inability and if he can then he is not all powerful either as that being that he created has more power than it.

What about those that do good but do not believe in God or the day of judgment like atheists; or believe in God but that there is no day of judgement like deists and from my understanding buddhists (i.e. cyclical view of history instead of a straight path through it and therefore no day of judgment for everybody but maybe one for each when they die and get reincarnated according to their karmic balance)?

Would these non-believer do-gooder qualify?

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Also, to respond to the OP, I am an orthotheist and a moral absolutist, I just don't always know where the absolutes of moral are.

Oh good fucking grief, this is so retarded. all this does is show the limitations of your own perceptions. I mean, hell, I can even come up with a proper response to this: God creates himself, only more powerful. Tadah! God is all powerful, thus you should not be attempting to express his capabilities through rational numbers. What you should be using is infinity, which is a constantly increasing number that no matter how high you count, you keep going. Hence God's powers may constantly be growing as well. I can never get over just how narrow minded someone has to be to think that God, a "ALL POWERFUL" being who is responsible for creating and maintaining the continued operation of the entire universe, is supposedly going to be constrained to the same mental limitations, perceptions, and awareness as a human being, ei NOT ALL POWERFUL. It's like a man thinking he can accurately tell his wife exactly what childbirth will feel like, or like an Amish computer tech service, or hollywood depicting reality.

Also, in order for someone to do good, they have to believe that there is a universal good and bad, not subject to the opinion of the masses. Otherwise all they are doing is what other people want them to do. If you believe in a universal good and bad, then you essentially are believing in the most basic fundamental principles of god, upon which all other teachings are founded.

 

EDIT: And yes, I know that isn't a perfectly mathematically accurate description of infinity, but the point still stands. People keep thinking of All Powerful as this static point that never changes, when anyone who has ever seriously attempted to better themselves know that perfection is NEVER a destination to be reached, but an ever increasing goal to be continually strived for.