Ya i am reluring how to play smash trying to stop charging at ppl and do more tilts but its weard things did happen in that fight. It seems that any thing that is stronger then zss air attk will hit the enter person same thing for the wip before it is all the way out. Any way i doth i am every going to a torment its just not who i am (i do not want a major gole in my life to be getting really good at a game) i need to work on falco seeing how zss not realy a good torment type may be zelda is good in torments too i do not know any ideals?