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NJ5 on 10 January 2010

Lol and now he talks about "dodging".

This thread is priceless.

 



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Exblackman on 10 January 2010
NJ5 said:
hardyhar said:

If third parties were interested in the Wii, there would be at least one example of a AAA third party title that was also advertised well. There isn't one. Nobody can name a single game.

You may have eye problems, so I'll write the example several people have given (3 or 4 times already) in big highlighted letters:

MONSTER HUNTER 3

Also:

Dragon Quest X

 

Don't forget RED STEEL the most expensive game made a third party so far (for the wii) until proven otherwise proven wrong.... Then again I don't know how much Monster Hunter 3 cost.



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hardyhar on 10 January 2010
NJ5 said:
hardyhar said:

If third parties were interested in the Wii, there would be at least one example of a AAA third party title that was also advertised well. There isn't one. Nobody can name a single game.

You may have eye problems, so I'll write the example several people have given (3 or 4 times already) in big highlighted letters:

MONSTER HUNTER 3

Also:

Dragon Quest X

 

These are your examples? You can't even buy these games outside of Japan and they appeal to a Japanese audience far more than the rest of the world. It's hardly a template of success for other devs to follow. Has Dragon Quest X even been released? Dig a bit deeper next time! You might scrape the bottom right out of the barrel. lol. Red Steel managed to just crack a million sales though. Not great for the most expensive Wii game ever, released at a time when there was fuck all else available to buy for the system.



NJ5 on 10 January 2010
hardyhar said:
NJ5 said:
hardyhar said:

If third parties were interested in the Wii, there would be at least one example of a AAA third party title that was also advertised well. There isn't one. Nobody can name a single game.

You may have eye problems, so I'll write the example several people have given (3 or 4 times already) in big highlighted letters:

MONSTER HUNTER 3

Also:

Dragon Quest X

 

These are your examples? You can't even buy these games outside of Japan and they appeal to a Japanese audience far more than the rest of the world. It's hardly a template of success for other devs to follow. Has Dragon Quest X even been released? Dig a bit deeper next time! You might scrape the bottom right out of the barrel. lol.

You keep moving the goal posts.

Before, you were asking for games which matched the sales of Nintendo's. Then you switched to "quality". Now it has to be "games available outside of Japan" and an AAA series like Dragon Quest which always sells millions of copies doesn't count as taking a risk and investing on the Wii.

It's just too funny...

 



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jammy2211 on 10 January 2010
hardyhar said:
jammy2211 said:
Third parties won't invest in a market that isn't proven - It's the demographic style management I guess. From their business policies it doesn't make sense investing $15 million in a high-end Wii release if there's no current proof that the market has the potential to sell 1 million+. Some of the Fitness games third parties have made probably had pretty sizeable marketing budgets, once the market was proven and whatnot by Wii Fit.

Instead they keep making tons of games, throwing them at the retailings and hoping something resonates with the fanbase. Comparitively they already know alot about the PS360, and have a good idea of what sells already. It's taken 2 years for COD4 to turn Medel of Honour into a modern shooter, now Spec Ops is another high budget game in on the same market and THQ have a COD4 clone too I think.

So er, the third parties will invest once they can be 'postitive' the game will sell, but that's not happend much on the Wii outside the music games, fitness games and some family friendly brand names. You can bet if Red Steel 2 sold 4 million copies or something though then it'd be a year until EA announce a combat/FPS hybrid.

Thanks for the reply. At least you didn't dodge the question over and over again and I agree with you, although if a company never does throw a bunch of money into a Wii game, how will the market ever be proven, outside of fitness games? Not a single one has tested the waters and I don't think they ever will. They've tried to create unique Wii experiences aimed at older gamers and it just doesn't work.

 What has typically happened in history is the market is broken 'by luck'. Guitar Hero never started out as a huge AAA massive marketing budget game, it was just an interesting idea that spread through word of mouth. Before long it has set an industry trend. Resident Evil erupted the survival horror market but I don't think Capcom ever anticipated it would sell 6m + on it's first release, and GTA3 exceed it's sales expectations by 1000% or something rediculous and made sandbox the 'in thing'.

 Every now and then a third party will try to 'look beyond' demographics and set a trend themselves - enter Mirror's Edge bombing, Okami's graphic style or as a more positive example, Bioshock. Third parties will do this on the Wii too (I'm sure they have already, albeit maybe not as committed as EA were to Mirror's Edge or 2k were to Bioshock).



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hardyhar on 10 January 2010

NJ5 - I've asked the same question over and over again. You've done your best to avoid it multiple times. Too funny!

Are you seeing lots of ads for Monster Hunter 3 and Dragon Quest X for the Wii in the US, assuming that's where you are? I'm not here in the UK. I haven't seen a single ad for either in fact. You posted those games in response to me asking for AAA titles that WERE ALSO ADVERTISED WELL. The fact that those are the best games you could come up with speaks volumes. It really does. Keep clutching at those straws!



Beuli2 on 10 January 2010

The point is that third parties are not even trying to make a good thing. They see a game like Wii Sports having sucess, they think "LOL, let's make a retarded easy game for da CazuaLs, because they will buy any crap LOL!!!". And then they use their second team or third team and make a crappy game (no like if it was made from the first team would make that much difference) and they think is gonna sell, but it won't. Then they scream "Why my game don't sell??? It is because of these stupid casuals that don't buy my games (they always blame the costumer, not their "Piece of Art") and Nintendo quality first party titles! Nintendo should help these third parties!!!!" The difference between Nintendo and then is that they care of their costumers like a first class costumer, not a second class. Only when thirds parties put the costumers in the top they will suceed.



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NJ5 on 10 January 2010

True, Dragon Quest X was not advertised. Fucking surprising considering it hasn't been launched yet...

Monster Hunter 3 hasn't been launched in the UK. Big fucking surprise that you don't see ads for it. LOL.

With those latest two posts you have already admitted how weak your position is, so my work is done here.



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Exblackman on 10 January 2010
hardyhar said:
NJ5 said:
hardyhar said:

If third parties were interested in the Wii, there would be at least one example of a AAA third party title that was also advertised well. There isn't one. Nobody can name a single game.

You may have eye problems, so I'll write the example several people have given (3 or 4 times already) in big highlighted letters:

MONSTER HUNTER 3

Also:

Dragon Quest X

 

These are your examples? You can't even buy these games outside of Japan and they appeal to a Japanese audience far more than the rest of the world. It's hardly a template of success for other devs to follow. Has Dragon Quest X even been released? Dig a bit deeper next time! You might scrape the bottom right out of the barrel. lol. Red Steel managed to just crack a million sales though. Not great for the most expensive Wii game ever, released at a time when there was fuck all else available to buy for the system.

Wait... I said Red Steel is the most expensive third party game made for for the wii in regards total budget.... I can't name a single core game that had is promotional budget outside of Nintendo's games outside of japan... THIS will probably change when Epic Mickey and/or Monster Hunter 3 comes out in the west.



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hardyhar on 10 January 2010

Wait, so I ask for AAA titles that have been well advertised, you then respond using a huge font saying Dragon Quest X, then you follow that up by saying "true, it was not advertised as it's not been launched yet". Hahahaha! Your work here is done alright, assuming your position is VGChartz Village Idiot.