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If you have any problems finding a 60GB bundle you should travel to Sweden. They are piled up in just about every game/electronics store here.



dlundh

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mrpapaye said:
Hello

About the BC problem with the 40Go PS3, i would point out that when we tell people who come in our shop that there is no PS2 BC anymore in it, up till now, no one, i repeat no one is interested anymore in this model. Of course, its just one little shop in one little country but still not one of our customers wants a PS3 without PS2 BC.
Then they buy the starter pack (not available anymore by us for some weeks already) and it has nothing to do with the very good deal the pack is.

Bye.

 This is about the responce I expect for most folks who already own a PS2 and probably many who don't and were hoping to supplement their early library with bargain priced AAA PS2 games.



To Each Man, Responsibility

The 60Gb bundle is much better value for your money compared to the 40Gb unit. For £50 more you get 2 games and a bigger hard drive. Thats what people see.

Although I have started to see 40Gb deals...£299 for a free game and 2 blu-rays...which is pretty good.

Also, Amazon are doing the 40Gb for £279.99.

Once the 60Gb disappears, I reckon we will see more deals for the 40Gb model. £299 for your choice of one game and one blu-ray as standard would be pretty good IMHO. And maybe £329 for 3 games and 2 blu-rays.



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

I dont see the point in the 40GB model. I find the fact that there are sooo many different models being released all the time quite confusing and stupid, and im sure im not the only one who believes this. Sony shouldnt have released the 40gb model at all, it should have just stuck with the 60gb, dropped the price and left it be. They didnt however, and they saw a sales spike that quickly went down, and now many people dont want the 40gb one because it (a) is inferior to the previous PS3 and (b) doesnt have BC. Im also pretty sure that many people are w8ing for an 80gb PS3 model to be released.



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It's not totally meaningless at all. It's just the angle you took to try and make my point not look valid. ioi Changed the Wii totals upward of 700k. You can go find the exact totals the Wii sold in Others for the last quarter. The Wii has only sold 3.93 total since launch there. If he was only off 700k the whole time since LAUNCH that's an 18% error ratio.

However we're talking about being off 700k in just one quarter where the Wii sold somewhere around 1.4-1.7 million. We're looking at an error percentage around 35-45% and possibly higher if anybody can recall ioi's numbers before he changed it.

It's pretty hard to be off by 700k in a region where the wii sold less than 2 million total for just one quarter period. Just face it, without weekly sales to guide you to near correct numbers (Japan) or monthly sales with only 2 markets (USA/Canada) it's almost impossible to predict the sales of 10+ regions all with different buying styles. When he has 0 references to go off of for 3+ months in a row, his Others numbers end up being wildly off, it's been seen time and time again. Why is this hard for you to admit? All it means is we have to wait until the next financial report to get near accurate Others numbers.

I like this site probably more than you but I'm not going to be blind like you just because I don't want to admit the site needs much more help tracking PAL numbers. By the way, I'm not even going to go into how the Ps3 could have been raised by 400k last quarter when it's only sold 1.98 in OTHERS since it's launch. You can do the math on that one.


Ah, now we're talking real and meaningful numbers!

Regarding that adjustment, I'm not exactly sure how it happened, but you're probably wrong in saying that the adjustment was just for a single quarter. My impression is that he fixed the quarter's numbers (I don't know the amount because I don't have the old numbers for reference), and then he re-ran his estimations for later weeks with new parameters to correct the previous mis-estimations. So I think the adjustment is not as bad as you're saying.

Obviously, Others is the hardest market to track. But it is true that regarding the PS3 at least, there hasn't been a big need for corrections. I remember noticing many news articles being posted in this forum with numbers from SCEE for certain specific countries (as in a local rep reporting current shipped numbers to some news outlet), and the numbers almost always made sense in relation to vgchartz's sold-to-customers numbers. There were also reports from tracking companies, and again, they did make sense.

In any case, the subject of this topic is trends, with only partial support from vgchartz's numbers. Those trends are worrying for SCEE's strategy with the PS3, and no tracking mistakes will change that. We're potentially looking at a Christmas in which the only PS3 version in the market is the gimped one! If that happens, it's either because they wanted it to happen, or because they misread the market's intentions.

 



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tk1989 said:
I dont see the point in the 40GB model. I find the fact that there are sooo many different models being released all the time quite confusing and stupid, and im sure im not the only one who believes this. Sony shouldnt have released the 40gb model at all, it should have just stuck with the 60gb, dropped the price and left it be. They didnt however, and they saw a sales spike that quickly went down, and now many people dont want the 40gb one because it (a) is inferior to the previous PS3 and (b) doesnt have BC. Im also pretty sure that many people are w8ing for an 80gb PS3 model to be released.

 

They released it because the PS2 was too strong and was canibalizing their sales.  People were using their PS3 to play upscaled PS2 games insteead of PS3 games.  Combine that with a low userbase and you get sales that don't return on the investments of the games and angry software developers.  So it makes sense in their minds to sell 40 gigs with no BC only so the people who buy them HAVE to buy PS3 games and not PS2 games at 1/3rd the price or less.

Then once they start getting some meaningful total software sold early on and gain back a lot of the confidence lost in them they can re-release versions with backwords compatability. (Hopefully, or i'll just buy a 20 gig used and replace the harddrive.)

As for less memoery.  I'd assume thats so it's also cheaper for the person who just wants it for 70% Blu-Ray. (Since it's as cheap as you'll get for Blu-ray.) and people who won't go online much with it or download too many demos.  40 Gigs should be plenty if you manage it right.  The tech savy can always drop in a higher HD.