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Rhonin the wizard said:
spdk1 said:

I have a DS and a GBA, I've been playing 2D mario games for years as well as 3D ones. Warioland, Donkey Kong for the GB and GBA, NSMB, Warioland Shake (which was on the Wii but everyone forgets about it), super princess peach...etc...

 

I actually like 2D and 3D Mario games about equally.  Also, maybe Miyamoto didn't want to make another 2D mario until recently on a console, he seems to have VERY specific ideas on his games.  Nintendo is a sucessful company they can do what they want.  Just because I want Mario to drive around in a monster truck and shoot flaming chainsaws out of his ass, doesn't mean that it's the best choice for the company.  I don't go around and whine about what companies do.  Even games I used to love that took a wrong turn like Square-Enix don't piss me off, I just simply don't play their games anymore...I find games I do like and move on if need be.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. 3D Mario games have high sales, 2D Mario platformers have higher sales, so why hasn't Nintendo continued to make this games? They could have had other people making them instead of Miyamoto. For example, Miyamoto just supervised NSMB DS, he wasn't directly involved.

I can understand not wanting to make games similar to those made in the past from a designers point of view, however from a business point of view it is illogical.

I totally agree, but I think thats why they had them on handhelds, handhelds usually sell more with Nintendo.



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spdk1 said:

I totally agree, but I think thats why they had them on handhelds, handhelds usually sell more with Nintendo.

And not having games that have proven to be system sellers on consoles was a good idea how?

I'm sorry I just don't understand your statement.

Going back to Malstrom for a bit, he has expressed the theory that people believe 2D games should only be on handhelds, and digital distribution, because they see them as inferior to 3D games, and this course of thought has been carried out by gamers and members of the industry.



Rhonin the wizard said:
spdk1 said:

I have a DS and a GBA, I've been playing 2D mario games for years as well as 3D ones. Warioland, Donkey Kong for the GB and GBA, NSMB, Warioland Shake (which was on the Wii but everyone forgets about it), super princess peach...etc...

 

I actually like 2D and 3D Mario games about equally.  Also, maybe Miyamoto didn't want to make another 2D mario until recently on a console, he seems to have VERY specific ideas on his games.  Nintendo is a sucessful company they can do what they want.  Just because I want Mario to drive around in a monster truck and shoot flaming chainsaws out of his ass, doesn't mean that it's the best choice for the company.  I don't go around and whine about what companies do.  Even games I used to love that took a wrong turn like Square-Enix don't piss me off, I just simply don't play their games anymore...I find games I do like and move on if need be.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. 3D Mario games have high sales, 2D Mario platformers have higher sales, so why hasn't Nintendo continued to make these games? They could have had other people making them instead of Miyamoto. For example, Miyamoto just supervised NSMB DS, he wasn't directly involved.

I can understand not wanting to make games similar to those made in the past from a designers point of view, however from a business point of view it is illogical.

spdk1 said:

yeah, I think he's a tool, so be it.  I don't know the guy, so I can't comment on how he is in real life, but if he acts like the persona he has created in his writings I'd probably punch him in the crotch rather than talk to the dude.

You should focus on the message not the messenger. And you should not give this much power over your emotions to someone who just writes on a website.

Edit: typos.


I stopped being a 2D platformer fan long, long time ago, but I totally understand Malstrom when he's pissed that a genre so successful both critically and sales-wise, particularly on Nintendo consoles, took so long to get a blockbuster game on Wii. He's totally right about it and if Miyamoto don't like those games anymore, he could just supervise their development and dedicate his creativity to what he likes.

But I can't agree with Malstrom when he bashes whatever he doesn't like. 3D Mario was less successful than NSMBW, but it wasn't by any means the flop he pretends it to be and the world of successful games is a lot vaster than Malstrom tastes. I myself have quite specific tastes, different from Malstrom ones, but very focused like his, but I perfectly know that there is a huge gaming world outside of my little one. I agree totally with him about the centrality of gameplay, but again, he doesn't seem to be able to admit that there can be also good and excellent gameplays totally different from his tastes.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:

But I can't agree with Malstrom when he bashes whatever he doesn't like. 3D Mario was less successful than NSMBW, but it wasn't by any means the flop he pretends it to be and the world of successful games is a lot vaster than Malstrom tastes. I myself have quite specific tastes, different from Malstrom ones, but very focused like his, but I perfectly know that there is a huge gaming world outside of my little one. I agree totally with him about the centrality of gameplay, but again, he doesn't seem to be able to admit that there can be also good and excellent gameplays totally different from his tastes.

But please, do not misinterpret me to say that you should not enjoy playing your 3d Mario games. I am trying to look at the Big Picture of not just this generation but all generations. When you look at it from that perspective, there is no other conclusion I can see but to declare 3d Mario a failure at carrying the torch left that was handed to them from Super Mario World.

This post contains a lot of input on how Malstrom views gaming. And he has stated other times that the 3D Mario games are not bad games, but they don't sell as well as the 2D games.

He also acknowledged that Pokemon is huge, but not his type of game.

The Pokemon explosion began when I stopped console gaming during the SNES era.

Pokemon is just not my type of game. I am also too old for it. I know, I know, there are adults that play Pokemon. But not this adult.

What Nintendo did with Pokemon was interesting in how they spun it off into another company altogether. I don’t discuss Pokemon because while Pokemon is a huge system seller for Nintendo portables, it is not a system seller for the home consoles. There isn’t much to talk about concerning Pokemon.

Though granted, he doesn't do this very often. 



Rhonin the wizard said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

But I can't agree with Malstrom when he bashes whatever he doesn't like. 3D Mario was less successful than NSMBW, but it wasn't by any means the flop he pretends it to be and the world of successful games is a lot vaster than Malstrom tastes. I myself have quite specific tastes, different from Malstrom ones, but very focused like his, but I perfectly know that there is a huge gaming world outside of my little one. I agree totally with him about the centrality of gameplay, but again, he doesn't seem to be able to admit that there can be also good and excellent gameplays totally different from his tastes.

But please, do not misinterpret me to say that you should not enjoy playing your 3d Mario games. I am trying to look at the Big Picture of not just this generation but all generations. When you look at it from that perspective, there is no other conclusion I can see but to declare 3d Mario a failure at carrying the torch left that was handed to them from Super Mario World.

This post contains a lot of input on how Malstrom views gaming. And he has stated other times that the 3D Mario games are not bad games, but they don't sell as well as the 2D games.

He also acknowledged that Pokemon is huge, but not his type of game.

The Pokemon explosion began when I stopped console gaming during the SNES era.

Pokemon is just not my type of game. I am also too old for it. I know, I know, there are adults that play Pokemon. But not this adult.

What Nintendo did with Pokemon was interesting in how they spun it off into another company altogether. I don’t discuss Pokemon because while Pokemon is a huge system seller for Nintendo portables, it is not a system seller for the home consoles. There isn’t much to talk about concerning Pokemon.

Though granted, he doesn't do this very often. 

LOL, sometimes it looks like there are two Malstroms in one body and keyboard!  :-O   

When he's reasonable or witty instead of raving, he's a good read.

Anyhow, he could publish a list of the games he likes (or that he considers good even not liking them) on every major platform, it could help putting in perspective his statements when he goes ballistic about the specific issue of tastes   

One last thing about Pokemons: thanks God he doesn't discuss them, the average wackiness of their fans is already huge enough, adding Malstrom to them could risk making the net explode!   



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Rhonin the wizard said:
Jumpin said:

I don't really see a problem with making Samus a more vulnerable character. It is not a betrayal to the original vision. The original vision was that of a VERY simplistic 2D platformer. The medium today is much more capable, and this is why a greater level of emotions can be displayed on screen. This sort of stuff was not at all possible on the original format.

Metroid: Other M takes place between Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion. Samus has defeated Ridley 2 times, 4 if we include the Prime games, and has arguably faced worse things than Ridley. Showing her being scared of Ridley now doesn't make sense.

That's the same as saying that it doesn't make sense if Link talks in future Zelda games because he hasn't spoken up to this point. In the case of Metroid: it's simply that the technology was previously too limited to put real cutscenes like this one into the game. 



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

"LOL, sometimes it looks like there are two Malstroms in one body and keyboard!

When he's reasonable or witty instead of raving, he's a good read."

He's stated that the latter is just an online persona, the way The Cinema Snob doesn't act that way in real life.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:

"LOL, sometimes it looks like there are two Malstroms in one body and keyboard!

When he's reasonable or witty instead of raving, he's a good read."

He's stated that the latter is just an online persona, the way The Cinema Snob doesn't act that way in real life.


Oh yes, I know it and you, Ronin and every other intelligent Malstrom reader know it, but there are too many of his fans that take him far too seriously, just like clams with Hubbard, he's not acting nicely or fairly towards them. But even knowing it, when he exaggerates, he becomes annoying, I prefer him when he's amusing.



Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly! (Pontius Pilate, "Life of Brian")
A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW! 
 


Alby_da_Wolf said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"LOL, sometimes it looks like there are two Malstroms in one body and keyboard!

When he's reasonable or witty instead of raving, he's a good read."

He's stated that the latter is just an online persona, the way The Cinema Snob doesn't act that way in real life.


Oh yes, I know it and you, Ronin and every other intelligent Malstrom reader know it, but there are too many of his fans that take him far too seriously, just like clams with Hubbard, he's not acting nicely or fairly towards them. But even knowing it, when he exaggerates, he becomes annoying, I prefer him when he's amusing.


Actually, I prefer the analytical side as well.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Rhonin the wizard said:
JerzeeBalla said:

This may be a ridiculously stupid question being that the only Metroid games I have played are the original and Super Metroid. But is it possible she was always scared of Ridley, and other similar boss monsters? Maybe the game as constructed couldnt properly show this emotion, so they didnt. Doesnt mean she wasnt scared, or any of these other emotions she seems to display in this game.

The problem people seem to have with Other M is that prior to this game, Samus was whatever we thought she was. For most, it was a kick ass female with a sick power suit and enough of an arsenal to save the planet. A few times. No one IMO perceived her as a whiny brat who deferred to anyone, or a bounty hunter with fear in her heart. So to see her portrayed as such just destroys the image most had for her. That's my theory anyway, and I have seen a few others share the same sentiment.

She has defeated Ridley at least 2 times before Other M, what reason could be for her to be scared of him now?

What Im asking is.....Is it possible she was scared the first 2 times as well and it was never shown due to.....lack of a proper way to show it? Without dialogue, or even text bubbles, how would we know if she was scared the first 2 times? In metroid, we knew nothing about Samus. Didnt even know she was female until the end. What Im saying is that it is possible she has always been this way and Nintendo just never showed us. So we just assumed she was this bounty hunter with ice water in her veins that shot first and asked questions later. 



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