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The Official Nov. 2009 NPD Thread Data covers Nov 1-28 comes @ 6:30 PM EST

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More leaks...

Band Hero: 153k
Lego Rock Band: 83k

60% of Band Hero sales are Wii sales. 60% of Lego Rock Band are Wii sales. The Wii version of Band Hero > all Lego Rock Band.



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@ Ride

but let's not kid ourselves good ol Acti will milk that thing until it actually stops making any kind of profit.



psrock said:

 

leo-j said:

I feel like having an opinion or discussion on a forum can get you in serious trouble..

My argument was that despite having such a jaw dropping game line up, and such a stellar advertising campaign, and the value that the console offers, it STILL fell under its competitors.

That was my argument.. and then you throw the "it doesn't matter its the U.S only, or your a fanboy, because you are ranting on about this" card.. and it just gets me pissed..

Last year with LBP, Resistance 2

 

Playstation 2 206k
Playstation 3 378k
PSP 421k
Xbox 360 836k
Wii 2.04M
DS 1.57M

 

Can you please stop,you are the only one losing sleep over this.


It is sooooo awesome that the Xbox360 kept the level of sales.

Last year, this was 2 months after the price cut to $199 / $250 / $300. Now there isn't a $250 model anymore and the prices are the still the same for the other models. Keeping this level is an achievement. That is something the PS3 still has to do. Do you think the PS3 would have the same sales next year, especially with a probably price cut of the Xbox360 and the Natal launch in November?

 



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Triple Chix said:
binary solo said:

There should be a modest upward adjustment for 360.

The 360 was under tracked by 100+K...  That is not a modest upward adjustment.

Are you talking about the maximum possible discrepancy between 2 estimates? You think the reported discrepancy is the definitive error margin, and the error is solely on the part of the lower of the 2 estimates? Those are bold claims indeed.

I'll certainly accept that VGC 360 numbers for Americas could be low by up to 12 or 13% for the month. But there is also a non-zero chance that both VGC and NPD numbers for 360 are high for the month . It should come as no surprise that HW sales numbers have a margin for error. Both NPD and VGC get hard data form certain sources, and then they both have to estimate and extrapolate to arrive at a final sales figure. It would be a mistake, I believe, to assume that NPD data is always more accurate than VGC data.

Personally I don't think VGC should simply adopt the NPD numbers in preference to their own. To do so would imply a lack of credibility in VGCs own data gathering and estimation methods. I do think the NPD numbers need to be given due consideration, though. Hence my views about what adjustments could be made to the VGC numbers. An upward adjustment for 360 across the entire month of about 70K or 8.7% is what I thought would be a reasonable consideration of the NPD data (i.e. I do not think VGC number crunchers should actually accept that they undertracked 360 numbers by 100+K). And yes, I think an 8.7% upward adjustment is modest. You might think it's a major adjustment, that's fine we have a different view about what's major and what's modest. But in the imprecise world of trying to pin down console sales numbers 8.7% isn't really that much.

It's only in this case where 8.7% (or more if you really want to insist on that full 100K adjustment) means the difference between coming 2nd and coming 3rd that it's got people all excited. If 360 and PS3 were both about the same between VGC and NPD and it was Wii that had the possibly statistically significant differential no one would say much at all. Why? Because Wii would go from being well out in front to being slightly more well out in front; no big deal. In fact I'd go so far as to say that people would generally conclude that VGC and NPD were well correlated for the month if that were the case.



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DirtyP2002 said:
psrock said:

 

leo-j said:

I feel like having an opinion or discussion on a forum can get you in serious trouble..

My argument was that despite having such a jaw dropping game line up, and such a stellar advertising campaign, and the value that the console offers, it STILL fell under its competitors.

That was my argument.. and then you throw the "it doesn't matter its the U.S only, or your a fanboy, because you are ranting on about this" card.. and it just gets me pissed..

Last year with LBP, Resistance 2

 

Playstation 2 206k
Playstation 3 378k
PSP 421k
Xbox 360 836k
Wii 2.04M
DS 1.57M

 

Can you please stop,you are the only one losing sleep over this.


It is sooooo awesome that the Xbox360 kept the level of sales.

Last year, this was 2 months after the price cut to $199 / $250 / $300. Now there isn't a $250 model anymore and the prices are the still the same for the other models. Keeping this level is an achievement. That is something the PS3 still has to do. Do you think the PS3 would have the same sales next year, especially with a probably price cut of the Xbox360 and the Natal launch in November?

 

OPEN you eyes man,

you forget Elite price drop + Walmart november price drop + MW2 exclusive bundle + 199$ entry price

I heop you understand there is nothing to be proud ...



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leo-j said:

I feel like having an opinion or discussion on a forum can get you in serious trouble..

My argument was that despite having such a jaw dropping game line up, and such a stellar advertising campaign, and the value that the console offers, it STILL fell under its competitors.

That was my argument.. and then you throw the "it doesn't matter its the U.S only, or your a fanboy, because you are ranting on about this" card.. and it just gets me pissed..

Read this...

 

 

But replace He, with America... and You with PS3.

All that value you think you see... most people don't... cause it's not there for most people.



Epic fail for Brett's numbers

VG numbers are just for reference only

Xbox 360 still the better console in US



lanjiaona said:
Epic fail for Brett's number

Then why you are still here ?



Great and unexpected numbers for the 360. PS3 did very well (thanks to Black Friday)

Slightly dissapointed at Forza 3....



Good for 360, great sales.

Look forward to more software numbers.