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Staude said:
jneul said:
people do read threads and if there is no software to back it up, how come you can run linux on ps3, the software is already there it just needs extra apps, and to be tweaked more to the average user so everyone can use it intead of just people who know how to get the best out of linux.
i still think if sony teams up with the makers of linux then it would be a really good opportunity to finally make the next possible os that everyone jumps on, it's about time windows (broken windows) stopped getting all the love

the software outside the os isn't there.

Software support from games. Sure drivers could solve some issues but not all..

 

All linux versions that you can access as a normal ps3 owner, only covers the ppe and not the spe's.

which is why i said sony need to team up with the linux guys, so they can fix all those problems.

the architecture the cell uses is the future, but i think it just came out too early for usuage in PC's give it some time and get the right developers in and we could all see a revolution in PC advancement.

I don't know if sony will ever consider this tho, which is the saddest thing, oh well...



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unless it's a Larabee or a GPU wanabee I doubt it will happen
x86 is the winner on desktops pc ATM and it will stay for a while.



jneul said:
Netyaroze said:
Ofourse its hard and the PS2 Emulator is not perfect. If Sony would make such an Emulator it would be perfect its just a question of ressources. But its not impossible to make one he said that the difference of the CPUs is adding to the factor that there will never be a PS3 emulator.

But its not like it wouldnt work. Emulators are ALWAYS flawed. But look at Wii Emulator it works ofcourse its far far away from beeing perfect but it works. And there will be a PS3 Emulator in the next 10-15 years I bet on this. I never said it will be perfect. the PS2 emulator is not that bad its flawed but you can play games on it.

And PS3 emulator can be done the difference of the Cell maybe adding more complexity to a PS3 emulator but its not impossible. I never said it has to be perfect.

I never said it had to be perfect either, but still the complexion in emulation the architecture of the cell alone will definaltely put off a lot of developers from even wanting to do one, if you know what i mean.

as for x86 becoming better than cell processors, only if the cell processor dies and no futher cell procesors are made, if sony decide to keep on improving the Cell processor, this wlll not happen.

sony owns the idea for the cell processor, so it would be possible for them to make more superior versions with other companies if they really wanted to.

 

 

Yes but you probably misinterpreted my posts. I just want to say its POSSIBLE to make an PS3 Emulator despite the weird architecture. 

And in the future they will make it because the PCs in 6 years will have 10times the PS3s power. It will put off maybe a lot of developers but some seek the challenge to proof they are the best. And you cant know how the architecture will change in the future. If there will be CPUS with 100 or more Cores in 10 years every Programm could get a core for itself. Which would increase the stability a lot of times.

Such CPUs could be perfect to Emulate a PS3 every SPEs gets a Core of the CPU. You cant know how the Programming will change in the next years because multicore CPUs will be the future and in that process Programming will completly change.



they sayed the cell that PS3 has will be used in the new gaming PCs so... yeah



Netyaroze said:

 

 

Yes but you probably misinterpreted my posts. I just want to say its POSSIBLE to make an PS3 Emulator despite the weird architecture. 

And in the future they will make it because the PCs in 6 years will have 10times the PS3s power. It will put off maybe a lot of developers but some seek the challenge to proof they are the best. And you cant know how the architecture will change in the future. If there will be CPUS with 100 or more Cores in 10 years every Programm could get a core for itself. Which would increase the stability a lot of times.

Such CPUs could be perfect to Emulate a PS3 every SPEs gets a Core of the CPU. You cant know how the Programming will change in the next years because multicore CPUs will be the future and in that process Programming will completly change.

Actually it'd probably be far easier to emulate the PS3/Xbox 360 than the PS2 or Wii except for the relative performance needed. Both architectures are quite well documented, the RSX is just a PC part really and the Cell processor has been used and studied by a wide range of people.



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Any processor can emulate any other processor. You could emulate the PS3 on a C64 - it would be too slow to use for anything, but it could be done.

Anyway, the Cell architecture isn't really very good for the general usage. For lots of PC tasks, it would be incredibly ineffective.



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eggs2see said:
Ismailxp said:
IBM Made the CELL not Sony


Actually it was a joint project between toshiba, sony and IBM. And It's currently being used in the 2nd most powerful super computer in the world, the roadrunner, which uses 12,960 of a later, more powerful version of the CELL processor. along with a stack of AMD opterons...

 

IBM Ending Cell Processor Development

 

IBM has confirmed that it will cease development of the Cell Processor used on the PS3 among other systems. This does not equate to an end of production. IBM has been co-developing the Cell Processor along with Sony and Toshiba. Even after the PS3's launch better models of the processor have been developed between the three. IBM's most recent and supposedly last version of the Cell Processor is the PoweXCell 8i which is currently used in the world's second fastest supercomputer. IBM will not develop the planned 32 SPE version of Cell. The status of actual development of the Cell Processor does not equate to the status of production of current models of the processor for the PS3. No reports have been made on changes to production or production of PS3s. Despite ending development of the Cell itself, IBM will still incorporate parts of the Cell into future designs. Apparently they will pursue a CPU/GPU hybrid route in the future. Technically, Sony can still hire IBM to develop a new Cell Processor for the Playstation 4. Their decision in this matter could affect things like backwards compatibility with PS3 games when the next console comes around.

 

http://www.playstationuniversity.com/ibm-cancels-cell-processor-development-1295/



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gurglesletch said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
they should do a bit more R&D and launch it for the PC and have Google partner them with ANDROID

This is a very good idea. It would hurt M$.

Why in the world would they want to hurt Microsoft?



toshiba already has



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