Who knows. Best to buy a system that you know you will be happy with. Thats why I only buy Nintendo systems at launch. I know I will be satisfied with just their first party offerings. Other consoles I wait for the library to build up to the point where I will be satisfied. If you want more out of it then I suggest looking for games that are similar, but lower profile to the game you feel are lacking. That way the genre you love gets supported, and the higher profile games get a better chance of being made for the Wii.

I have to agree to a certain extent here.

3rd parties do not want the Wii to succeed, that's obvious. Square Enix for example, it's president came out a few days ago saying he expected Nintendo to have their HD Wii ready for 2011. The industry is against Nintedo, most of the companies hate them.

Even when Nintendo had its poorest years ever bringing 1st party franchises, third paries still decided to ignore and flood the platform with garbage and turds no one will ever care about.

Nintendo seems content with so many games being available on the platform since every game sold will give them money, but at the end it could bring them a lot of trouble when next gen rolls in.

I have another example, look at what games will the HD consoles be getting in Japan from third parties going from 2010 onwards (taken from another post of mine)

"Resonance of Fate, FFvsXIII, Yakuza 4, Lost Planet 2, RE5 w/motion controls, Dead Rising 2, Star Ocean 4 International, Sengoku Basara 3 (multiplat with the Wii), Super Street Fighter 4, Final Fantasy XIV, Metal Gear Solid Rising, Nier, Front Mission Evolved, Dinasty Warriors Troy, Dinasty Warriors Online, Bayonetta, Front Mission Evolved, BlazBlue: Continuum, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Quantum Theory, Trinitiy: Souls of Zill O'll, and probably more I don't know about."

The Wii on the other hand has from 2010 onwards:

"All we know about is RE:DSC and Sengoku Basara 3 (multiplat with PS3).
NMH2 and Trauma Team are also coming, but they are small games in Japan. After that there's nothing else coming out I think, besides DQX which comes out in 2012 or around there. Wii could go into another big game drought in Japan next year."


Third parties really don't want to develop games for the Wii anymore. They've given enough evidence at this year's TGS, where not even 1 new game was announced for the Wii.

I don't think Nintendo will ever recover the good third party support. It was just sporadic this gen, and now it appears to have ended. So that's why people compalin so much about the lack of first party games, as third parties will simply ignore the Wii and Nintendo seems very slow at bringing out their games (hopefully 2010 is better, in the end I mostly care for 1st party games, that's why I get so fucking pissed with the lack of games).
Don't come up with a list of third party games, because most of them are afterthoughts. The real effort is being put behind the other consoles.

EDIT: I meant TGS not E3 -.-

The only way to win the core market is to spend $50 million on the next Zelda, and make sure it's different from OoT, but not too different, while magically capturing the newness that they found made OoT so awesome.

Also they need to forbid any shovelware games and spend millions moneyhatting big franchises.

In other words, this is not the audience Nintendo is aiming for. They are aiming for people who like to play games, either in a casual or hardcore fashion, not this dumb vocal minority.

The real core gamers have a Wii.

You mean the young male teenage boys who like bombastic action games and buy one every month did not have a Wii, that's true. But even this group looks with other eyes on the Wii now with coming games like Dead Space Extraction, Darkside Chronicles, Red Steel 2, No More Heroes 2 etc. etc.

tis nintendo own problem.
they had a choice.
profits or hardware close 360 and being able to get the multiplatforms.
they went for profits.

Oh well, it is Onimusha after all.

Let her have her fun complaining, as she always does.

"tis nintendo own problem.
they had a choice.
profits or hardware close 360 and being able to get the multiplatforms.
they went for profits."

And then the matter of who went on to copy who.

Nintendo just let the ''hardcore'' slip away (that's the Call of Duty, Gears of War, Madden, Pro Evo crowd). The core are right there, just waiting for the next Zelda or Mario, as third parties are too stupid to step up.

No, it's not wrong... i too, would like to play even more creative games on Wii... but what do you want Nintendo to do? Put a gun on 3rd party devs faces, and say: make great games for our console?

Yeah, i suppose they could pay them... or offer free fees... or free promotion... but don't you think Nintendo is already doin' quite fine on their own, and is quite busy too? If 3rd parties don't want a slice of the huge pie Nintendo has created, thanks to Wii and DS, they have to blame themselves, and themselves only...

The "outdated tech" is an excuse, but with an even more limited tech, the PS2 had a huge library, very successful, and with stellar critics... and then suddenly, a console offering innovative controls and lower dev' costs isn't appealing or relevant? It's impossible to create masterpieces for it?

No, this industry wasn't prepared for Nintendo's success, that's a fact, but their excuses are getting lame, and if the only solution they've found is to differenciate consoles like "all casual games" for Wii and "all core games" for PS360, then they are just fooling themselves...

Wii userbase has already a 5 million "Zelda userbase", and these 5 millions of gamers ONLY are already enough to justify the creation of some epic adventure games... when there are 10 millions of Halo buyers, a console is "hardcore", but when there are 5 millions of Zelda buyers, it is not "hardcore at all"? What do you want me to say? They're lame, and they spit on the face of Nintendo's core userbase...

And in the end, they won't have my money... but i'm nearly glad for this... most western devs are lame, and most japanese devs are doing well, so chances are 90% of my games will come from Japan this gen... just as usual, in fact...

Edit: ohhh, and btw, just look at what Nintendo's doing with WiiWare, too...

Many young european teams have finally a chance to enter the console market, for an affordable budget, and for creating innovative games, specially designed with the console's tech in mind... in all their interviews, these devs have mentionned the attitude of Nintendo, very helpful and supportive... and with that new "business model", everyone seems very happy with the way revenues are done and shared... Nintendo want more quality games for their platform, and WiiWare certainly deserves a closer look, as the future line-up of the service is full of great "niche" surprises for gamers lookin' for creative efforts...

Nintendo tried to focus mainly on the core gaming market, and it got them 23 million sales with the gamecube. I don't get what you hardcore want from nintendo.. You got Zelda, 3-D Mario, a sequal to the 3-D Mario, a 2-D Mario, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Punchout, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Battalian Wars, A Wario Game, etc.. All within 3 years of its release.

And what is this business about nintendo not treating 3rd parties well? I've always heard the exact opposite. If anything, it's Sony that treats 3rd parties like crap. Wii is far easier to develop for, not to mention has a far greater userbase. 3rd parties are to blame for lack of 3rd party support, not nintendo, and they avoid a console with a near 50% marketshare at their own risk. I guarentee you, once Wii sales keep cranking and grow to a userbase greater than that of the HD consoles combined.. bottom line is these companies are businesses and businesses go where the money is.