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NJ5 said:
Just_Ben said:
Bad developer than. I alway programm thread heavy, it makes things so much easier if you do it right :o)

 


As I said, single core doesn't mean single thread. Whenever threads are desired you can still use them. But with multicore, there are some algorithms you just can't run as efficiently as if you had a single faster core, barring a big theoretical advancement in computer science. Check out "P-complete" (no, not NP-complete, P-complete) problems at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-complete

 


 Sorry, misunderstood you a little here. But what problem can't I solve with multithreading? They are view. The problem of the PS3 is that you doesn't have a good thread sheduler like on PC.



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MikeB said:
@ LingLing

@MikeB: could you please provide some sources of devs that say PS3 is easy to develop for?


You can find public quotes here, here and here.

IMO you''ll soon start to see ever more advanced PS3 game engines. Check out the Ratchet and Clank demo, play the full game to determine the advancements Insomniac has made so soon after their release of Resistance: Fall of man.

The first one is from "Saturday January 28, 2006 "

The second one is almost 2 years old... " 12-01-2005 06:00 PM "

The third one is a statement made by Factor 5

Could you provide an actual statement??? (Not just the Factor5 Craziness), two of them are long before the launch (When everybody used to believe in the Sony triumph)...

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sieanr said:
leo-j said:
Im tired of developers and ther B$, Sony made there SYSTEM they know what its capable off. PC GAMING IS A WASTE OF TIME(sorry pc gamers) It just is, WTF are you doing with barely any games. PS3 is THE BEST EXPERIENCE YOU CAN GET.

PC= Microsoft.

Well now, is it just me or has Leo-js post been getting angrier and angrier as of late.

Its like you've pasted a line where you just get really pissed off and irrational anytime something bad about the PS3 is mentioned. What the hell is wrong with you?

Oh, and LOL @ the irony of a PS3 fan criticizing another platform for lack of games.

(I think leo has lost all hope for the PS3, and is over compensating)


 What do you want with all those Wii fanboys?






@ FJ-Warez

Could you provide an actual statement???


More here:

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/678551/GRAW_Developers_PS3_Not_Hard.html
http://www.gamersreports.com/news/5334/ninja-gaiden-sigma-dev-says-ps3-not-hard-to-develop-for/



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

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MikeB said:
@ FJ-Warez

Could you provide an actual statement???


More here:

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/678551/GRAW_Developers_PS3_Not_Hard.html
http://www.gamersreports.com/news/5334/ninja-gaiden-sigma-dev-says-ps3-not-hard-to-develop-for/

 Thanks



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FJ-Warez said:
MikeB said:
@ LingLing

@MikeB: could you please provide some sources of devs that say PS3 is easy to develop for?


You can find public quotes here, here and here.

IMO you''ll soon start to see ever more advanced PS3 game engines. Check out the Ratchet and Clank demo, play the full game to determine the advancements Insomniac has made so soon after their release of Resistance: Fall of man.

The first one is from "Saturday January 28, 2006  "

The second one is almost 2 years old... " 12-01-2005 06:00 PM "

The third one is a statement made by Factor 5

Could you provide an actual statement??? (Not just the Factor5 Craziness), two of them are long before the launch (When everybody used to believe in the Sony triumph)...

Good catch.  Let's keep quoting stuff from years ago to show how great the PS3 is doing today and how horrible the Wii is doing lol.  Until gamers get to see and play for themselves these more advanced PS3 games it is a moot point. The thing is everyone has an agenda so is tough to take peoples word about anything which is why you have to play it and see it for yourself.  Once we get that from the PS3 all this bad stuff will turn around.



kwaad you have obviously no clue what goes into PC development and Testing to make sure it all works.

Blizzard- has almost 100 - yes ONE HUNDRED different PC's setup for Testing their product to make sure it works when released, and even then some pc's won't run the software right when released. the allow Thousands of people to test their software and post problems to catch configurations they do not have setup.

different cpu's
different MotherBoards
different graphics cards
different sound cards
different network cards(yes this can affect games too)

different drivers for graphics cards
different drivers for motherboards
different drivers for sound cards
different drivers for network cards
different hard drive configurations- normal, raid 0 raid 1 etc...
does the computer have a TVTuner?(mine does)

Just using oh say 1 cpu from AMD 1 cpu from intel
then JUST the current gen graphics cards ati nvidia)
then JUST the current gen sound cards (creative ,turtlebeach- "ac97"(not sure who makes the built in sound on motherboards)

2 cpu's
13 video cards(8k and 2k series ONLY
3 sound cards(ac97 x-fi, turtlebeach)

total DIFFERENT computers 2x13x3 =78 different configurations.
while all the 2k series ati video cards are Similar...they are not exactly the same.. now lets bring in drivers- i have had games that WOULD NOT WORK with certain Drivers for my video card...

ati has released between 9-12 different sets of drivers for the video cards they have in the past year.... maybe one from 6 months ago will work, maybe the latest one won't work with your software...and you have to test it lets be nice and say the 3 latest sets of drivers you are going to test...

of those above computers 36 of them are amd/ati configurations...so you have to test your software on 108 different configurations you have to test...you do not just stop at one that works, you HAVE to test so that when a person complains you can say, update your video driver(or sound or network etc)


a console is a console is a console, it is why a console was MADE if the first place. to make it easier for the Devs to make a game for it.

a 360 is a 360 ,is a 360.

if the software runs on 1 360 it will be able to run on ALL 360's. same for a DS same for a PSP same for a PS2,ps3,Wii etc.

there my 2c.




Yeah thanks MikeB for the more current links.
So we have some devs stating that it's hard to program for and others say it's not so hard.




LingLing said:
Yeah thanks MikeB for the more current links.
So we have some devs stating that it's hard to program for and others say it's not so hard.



Some sort fo mixed bag, but maybe is just the "We are making da best game in da best hardware"  statement just to spice up the sales... (Lets remenber the Factor5 statements)
 



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