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Strategyking92 on 09 August 2009

Raising the minimum wage and ending the iraq occupation are about the only things I agree with obama on (and the minimum wage hike / iraqi surge started during the bush times, so he can't even take credit for these things)

I want REAL change
Seriously, i'm poor now, I need change.



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outlawauron on 09 August 2009
Kantor said:
Zlejedi said:
Nope he isn't socialist.

To be socialist you must have your own belives.
Obame belives in whatever currently wins in public opinion and whatever will give him most votes.

He is empty PR baloon that will drift in the direction forced by wind of public opinion.

IMHO americans will seriously miss George Bush junior by the end of second Obama cadence.

Even if that were true, I think a President who does what the people want is a lot better than Bush Jr.

Well, his approval ratings are tumbling and his health care bill is not liked. So, honestly, I don't think much has changed. Just a different group hating the president, while the other lets things slide.



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nitekrawler1285 on 09 August 2009

I don't particularly care if Obama is socialist. It's not as if we haven't socialist esque things already such as "free" school and "free" roads. I wouldn't mind a much higher tax rate for even myself if more things were "free". The idea being I wouldn't need that extra money anyway since so many of the services i need would be "free".

I don't see what people perceive as so wrong about socialism. It has downsides. So does capitalism.



NKAJ on 09 August 2009
Slimebeast said:

Yes, in his heart Obama is unfortunately a socialist. I think as a Congressman he was the one voting most left-wing of them all.

A health-care reform is a good thing if done right, but usually it doesn't stop there. Politicians are just too damn tempted to govern everything, they are control-freaks who always believe they know better. They love to play Sim City with tax money. So certainly other socialistic reforms will be forced upon the American people along with the healthcare thingy.

This is not good. The world needs America as a beacon of capitalist light to balance out socialist Europe.


OH.DEAR.

-facepalm-



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

NKAJ on 09 August 2009
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
@kas and viper

No. Parents are not choosing to not buy healthcare. Those who do not have it A) cannot afford the very expensive price of getting healthcare not through an employer and B) work at jobs that put them just above the levels of getting the current government paid options, yet the job itself doesn't offer healthcare.

Those are the specific, hardworking people that we should help.

You guys make it sound like parents are choosing luxury cars over healthcare. lol.

Every nation in the world that isn't deathly poor, has social programs to help out those in need regardless of their government style. It is simply immoral to not try to help those you can and based on they amount of money this nation creates, we can.

People who can not afford healthcare for their children qualify for SCHIP.

These parents are in fact not choosing healthcare for their children because they believe that money is better spent elsewhere.

Private insurance for children is actually pretty cheap by the way.

That's funny, when I read the details of SCHIP it seems quite a large number of people don't qualify and for those small % that do and still don't buy it, I'm sure they are not buying luxury cars. (yes I know you didn't say they were)

Private insurance for families, kids only, etc, is not cheap to everyone.

The people is this boat simply have to choose food, electricity, water, heat, fix crappy car (if lucky to get crappy car), or insurance to cover something that may never happen.

I think you'd choose the former as well. I have a feeling you've never been without a home or no food for a couple of days. It would allow you to better see the point.

People who have to make those choices qualify for medicare... and i'd be money I know a hell of a lot more poor people then you do... and guess what.  They actually do get health treatment.  Despite living on near minimium wage jobs.

Socialied healthcare just doesn't work it leads to rationing and discrimination based on demographics.

People are forced to pay for healthcare all their lives and then are discriminated against once they reach a certain age.

Government run healthcare doesn't work.  The way to make healthcare insurance affordable is to regulate the ways private companies can offer rates... those who don't qualify for medicares biggest problem is prexisting conditions... or just not wanting it until they get a prexisting condition.

It's why non job related dental care is almost unheard of.

i guess your talking exsclusivly about america



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

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Kasz216 on 09 August 2009
NKAJ said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
@kas and viper

No. Parents are not choosing to not buy healthcare. Those who do not have it A) cannot afford the very expensive price of getting healthcare not through an employer and B) work at jobs that put them just above the levels of getting the current government paid options, yet the job itself doesn't offer healthcare.

Those are the specific, hardworking people that we should help.

You guys make it sound like parents are choosing luxury cars over healthcare. lol.

Every nation in the world that isn't deathly poor, has social programs to help out those in need regardless of their government style. It is simply immoral to not try to help those you can and based on they amount of money this nation creates, we can.

People who can not afford healthcare for their children qualify for SCHIP.

These parents are in fact not choosing healthcare for their children because they believe that money is better spent elsewhere.

Private insurance for children is actually pretty cheap by the way.

That's funny, when I read the details of SCHIP it seems quite a large number of people don't qualify and for those small % that do and still don't buy it, I'm sure they are not buying luxury cars. (yes I know you didn't say they were)

Private insurance for families, kids only, etc, is not cheap to everyone.

The people is this boat simply have to choose food, electricity, water, heat, fix crappy car (if lucky to get crappy car), or insurance to cover something that may never happen.

I think you'd choose the former as well. I have a feeling you've never been without a home or no food for a couple of days. It would allow you to better see the point.

People who have to make those choices qualify for medicare... and i'd be money I know a hell of a lot more poor people then you do... and guess what.  They actually do get health treatment.  Despite living on near minimium wage jobs.

Socialied healthcare just doesn't work it leads to rationing and discrimination based on demographics.

People are forced to pay for healthcare all their lives and then are discriminated against once they reach a certain age.

Government run healthcare doesn't work.  The way to make healthcare insurance affordable is to regulate the ways private companies can offer rates... those who don't qualify for medicares biggest problem is prexisting conditions... or just not wanting it until they get a prexisting condition.

It's why non job related dental care is almost unheard of.

i guess your talking exsclusivly about america

Yeah, it's why private Dentel care doesn't exist.  Because people don't get it until they need it.

They wait until they need a filling or crown, then they get it.  Pay premiums for a month or two... get the thing they needed that costs like a thousand dollars... then stop the plan.

Or at least they did.


Now you need to pay like a year in advance for dental insurance because of this.



NKAJ on 09 August 2009

^^
i dont live in america so ill keep my mouth shut



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

ph4nt on 09 August 2009

Anybody who cuts the defense budget is an enemy of mine.

I also hate it when my tax dollars are going to the underachievers of society, the anchors of the United States.

Politics has made "the strongest survive" obsolete, and now the strong are wasting their time supporting the weak.



NKAJ on 09 August 2009
ph4nt said:
Anybody who cuts the defense budget is an enemy of mine.

I also hate it when my tax dollars are going to the underachievers of society, the anchors of the United States.

Politics has made "the strongest survive" obsolete, and now the strong are wasting their time supporting the weak.

your obviously one of the strong.to be honest i think there needs to be a balance because while socailism is better in some ways i certainly know how you fell about people milking off the system.



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

Kasz216 on 09 August 2009
ph4nt said:
Anybody who cuts the defense budget is an enemy of mine.

I also hate it when my tax dollars are going to the underachievers of society, the anchors of the United States.

Politics has made "the strongest survive" obsolete, and now the strong are wasting their time supporting the weak.

A lot could be cut in the defense budget.  It's just the stuff people never talk about.

 

Like the new Presidential choppers.... that the president doesn't want.  The new airplane engines  Piterus doesn't want.

 

Etc.  People keep getting shit they don't even want because Senators are looking for pork barrel jobs for their states.

 

I once saw  C-span where a senator tried to convince an unbudging VA director that he needed more money for the VA.