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dolemit3 said:
No Gears of War port on the Wii then?

That series is exclusive to Microsoft systems, so that's at least not going to happen for an understandable reason.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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that's the mindset of every big ceo/developer or whatever towards wii. nintendo made wii so much casual that the core games dont sell well unless it's nintendo. and all those guys will use this scenario as their alibi not to put effort on the wii.

i wish nintendo showed something spectacular, like TW:OOT, but looking at their game development it's never going to happen. and my gutt feeling is even nintendo's major ips will face tough time selling in the future(e.g. punch-out). some of u will argue that, but tell me what nintendo game has a big buzz like ac2, mw2 made by nintendo/3rd parties. u may also say their core games r coming, but waiting for that another 1 or 2 years will not going to help the wii owners getting major ips. and when a console loosing those ips, most gamers tend not to invest money behind that console.



Viper1 said:
Wii flops lose money.
HD flops shut down entire developers.

Sad but so very true. Anyone want to make a list of once great development houses now dead this era?

Midway

Factor5

Add on the list if you want to. These only come straight to mind.

 



Epic's games are overrated crap anyway.



"It's more likely the platform will rise up to meet us than we'll go down"

ROLF! Nintendo is doing PERFECTLY without them!! How on earth that is gonna be possible?!

What a moron.



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“(on third parties making core games for XBOX 360/PS3) And they've been huge financial flops... It's just not where the market is. Look at EA. Do you see the same Tiger Woods game on XBOX 360/PS3? Of course not – it's a dumbed down game.”

I fixed the quote for accuracy. :)



dontsee said:

that's the mindset of every big ceo/developer or whatever towards wii. nintendo made wii so much casual that the core games dont sell well unless it's nintendo. and all those guys will use this scenario as their alibi not to put effort on the wii.

i wish nintendo showed something spectacular, like TW:OOT, but looking at their game development it's never going to happen. and my gutt feeling is even nintendo's major ips will face tough time selling in the future(e.g. punch-out). some of u will argue that, but tell me what nintendo game has a big buzz like ac2, mw2 made by nintendo/3rd parties. u may also say their core games r coming, but waiting for that another 1 or 2 years will not going to help the wii owners getting major ips. and when a console loosing those ips, most gamers tend not to invest money behind that console.


That's not true. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Capcom, Namco and even Square Enix are all supporting the wii with great original games that show a ton of effort. Big developers have been joining the Wii parade recently.



"Pier was a chef, a gifted and respected chef who made millions selling his dishes to the residents of New York City and Boston, he even had a famous jingle playing in those cities that everyone knew by heart. He also had a restaurant in Los Angeles, but not expecting LA to have such a massive population he only used his name on that restaurant and left it to his least capable and cheapest chefs. While his New York restaurant sold kobe beef for $100 and his Boston restaurant sold lobster for $50, his LA restaurant sold cheap hotdogs for $30. Initially these hot dogs sold fairly well because residents of los angeles were starving for good food and hoped that the famous name would denote a high quality, but most were disappointed with what they ate. Seeing the success of his cheap hot dogs in LA, Pier thought "why bother giving Los Angeles quality meats when I can oversell them on cheap hotdogs forever, and since I don't care about the product anyways, why bother advertising them? So Pier continued to only sell cheap hotdogs in LA and was surprised to see that they no longer sold. Pier's conclusion? Residents of Los Angeles don't like food."

"The so-called "hardcore" gamer is a marketing brainwashed, innovation shunting, self-righteous idiot who pays videogame makers far too much money than what is delivered."

Bobbuffalo said:
"It's more likely the platform will rise up to meet us than we'll go down"

ROLF! Nintendo is doing PERFECTLY without them!! How on earth that is gonna be possible?!

What a moron.

Moron and a complete ass. They are on the "up" position?



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

"Why is it when a company decides to make a ‘non-casual game’, it contains every hardcore cliché that exists? Many of these ‘hardcore’ games are either extremely generic or extremely weird. Madworld, with its black and white color, is extremely weird. Deadly Creatures, which is a ‘down close’ view on scorpions and spiders, is extremely weird. While these ‘hardcore’ Wii games have merits, they are just weird and wouldn’t sell even on the PS2. For some bizarre reason, it is always Nintendo’s fault that their weird games don’t sell."

I think Bobbufflo's sig answers most of Mark Rein's sentiments, but let me fill in the rest:

Despite what Wii/Nintendo haters may say or think, huge financial flops haven't happened on the Wii yet. Games have underperformed, yes, all consoles have games that underperform. But "huge" financial failures haven't happened once on the Wii. Wii games, especially from 3rd parties, have rarely ever exceeded a $15 million development budget.

Look at how he cherry-picks one EA Wii game, Madden 2009 to prove his misguided point. Madden 2009 has sold more on the Wii than any GameCube version of Madden, from Madden 2002 to Madden 2008. He must have a counting problem if he thinks Madden 2009 Wii selling 800,000 copies is a problem. As for EA's Wii-Specific alteration to Madden's artstyle, they are trying something different as an experiment to address a wider audience. If it fails, they can always revert back to the original Madden formula and continue on. They took a play card from Ubisoft's Shaun White Snowboarding and made a stylistic artstyle that runs CLEAN. Clean polish is an important part (along with motion control) of separating Madden Wii from its PS3/360 counterparts. Sorry if originality and change isn't his cup of tea.

EA's other recent Wii titles have dominated the Wii Top 20 recently and are enjoying healthy sales in their positions. EA is making a Wii/DS exclusive Need For Speed, and in terms of quality, has improved its Wii Support by leaps and bounds. Also they have Dead Space Extraction on the way.

EA is hitting their friggin Wii PEAK.

He also thinks that Wii support is wearing these companies thin, therefore making their HD efforts fail? NO WAY boss, the HD failure is a result of mismanagement, and high development costs of the PS3/360 console games themselves.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

griffinA said:
dontsee said:

that's the mindset of every big ceo/developer or whatever towards wii. nintendo made wii so much casual that the core games dont sell well unless it's nintendo. and all those guys will use this scenario as their alibi not to put effort on the wii.

i wish nintendo showed something spectacular, like TW:OOT, but looking at their game development it's never going to happen. and my gutt feeling is even nintendo's major ips will face tough time selling in the future(e.g. punch-out). some of u will argue that, but tell me what nintendo game has a big buzz like ac2, mw2 made by nintendo/3rd parties. u may also say their core games r coming, but waiting for that another 1 or 2 years will not going to help the wii owners getting major ips. and when a console loosing those ips, most gamers tend not to invest money behind that console.


That's not true. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, Capcom, Namco and even Square Enix are all supporting the wii with great original games that show a ton of effort. Big developers have been joining the Wii parade recently.

and what r the games of those studios u mentioned has really a lot of buzz? and even if they've good ips, do u think those will sell?

games may sell a good number in the long run, but when on the other platform u get at least 200k-300k sell in first week, on the wii 1/5th of that(for the better) publishers dont feel optimistic. take cod:waw, it sold 1mil+, but took too long.

i feel creativity in games r long gone. studios r looking at quick money. wii is not better choice in this case, unless its casual, excercise, petz, dogz stuff.

 edit : just saw namco's wii line-up for the Comic-Con '09.